Giving Kashmir away..

Very interesting topic. Let me give you my opinion having served in Kashmir.Firstly let me state giving Kashmir away should NEVER be an option. What is required is strong will power which Indian governments from Nehru to Modi lack.

The solution is very simple. Do not forget the valley is only about 100 miles long and 50 wide. It's a small area . First dismiss BJP and PDP government. Abolish article  370 and allow Bihari and UP to flood the state.The law that no Indian can buy land or settle in Kashmir needs to be abolished. We hVe to change the demographic profile. This could have been done decades back but governments including Vajpaye and now Modi develop cold feet.

Secondly like China take harsh measures and send all opposing elders to hard labor for 25 years.each and even death. This is how China solved Tibet problem and now controlling the Uighar Muslim revolt in Sinkiang. China has settled thousands in Muslim area. Bangladesh did same in Chittagong hill tracts.

Giving away Kashmir is no solution. Modi talked big but he has done nothing. In fact things have worsened after he came to power and formed government with PDP. Solution is simple. China can do it why not India. Required guts.

I have seen many Muslim in valley support India but weakness of Indian government is solely responsible for present impasse. Modi must take the cake for this. As I write eradicating little corruption is too high a price to pay to lose Kashmir and hence Modi must go.

We can eliminate terrorists and terrorism from Kashmir as it is very simple task (Army can do it within a week)  but if corruption is eradicated most of the problems will be solved. We don't want the origin of corruption back in power.

suni51 wrote:

We can eliminate terrorists and terrorism from Kashmir as it is very simple task (Army can do it within a week)  but if corruption is eradicated most of the problems will be solved. We don't want the origin of corruption back in power.

Are you sure it's a weeks operation? The only way the army can fight is by attacking camps deep inside Pak in Punjab and POK. It means a full scale war and who will win ?It could also mean defeat or a stalemate and a nuclear clash.

The only solution is to abolish Art 370 and allow free settlement  in the valley. Change the demographic picture and imprison all opposition like Hurriat to 25 years hard labor. What is needed is a page from China book. Who will do it ? Modi?

@ MG , we cannot overlook the fact that when Modi came to power in 2014 , the Kashmir situation had reached boiling point. The PDP - BJP govt has done a lot of good work and according to statistics , at no time have we seen so many terrorists being  eliminated in the valley . Pakistan and the pak based terrorists have escalated their activities because of the situation prevailing there , not because of Modi but because of the past mis management . I would totally agree with the abolition of article 370 , but I perceive that legally it is not easy to do that without help from J and K assembly..so BJP has to get a firmer base there .

 https://www.news18.com/news/india/abrogation-of-article-370-a-very-complex-affair-say-legal-experts-690866.html

@ Sunil , I too would think that eradicating corruption is very essential in controlling terror funding and all other related security matters ..

I have heard this opinion opinion voiced by others too....leave Kashmir, let those idiots cut their own throats and see them running back to India once they realise how it will under Pak rule as clearly they cannot function on their own. But it would be unfair and unjust to many who believe in India and want to be in India and also teh unfortunate fate of what little Hindus are remaining in the valley.

Kashmiri Pandits who have been driven away by the terrorists also need to be given justice . However, as of now it is such an explosive situation there and I feel that we have to take a firm stand regardless of hat the opposition or the world community thinks or else let go off it ..

@MGSingh I am sure you don't mean that if congress comes to power it will remove 370 from J&K. Actually it was congress that brought this dubious article and now asking to remove it. Yes it's very much possible to eliminate all anti national elements from the valley but who will cry foul then? The Congress and its supporters. I have spent a lot of time in Kashmir valley and Jammu region and talked to many. Actually it's the money paid by Pakistan to terror groups which is behind stoning and other activities.Kashmir would be worse than Afghanistan due to Islamic fanatics and there is no ray of hope in near future. Indian Army is ignoring their nonsense but how long will they tolerate is hidden in the future.

MG Singh wrote:

suni51 wrote:

We can eliminate terrorists and terrorism from Kashmir as it is very simple task (Army can do it within a week)  but if corruption is eradicated most of the problems will be solved. We don't want the origin of corruption back in power.

Are you sure it's a weeks operation? The only way the army can fight is by attacking camps deep inside Pak in Punjab and POK. It means a full scale war and who will win ?It could also mean defeat or a stalemate and a nuclear clash.

You are right any attack in side Pakistan will be change in full scale war. If India will won war but with it cann't win Kashmiries. Best solution of this problem is that India and Pakistan both kept which is with them. Second India abolish section 370.

anil wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

suni51 wrote:

We can eliminate terrorists and terrorism from Kashmir as it is very simple task (Army can do it within a week)  but if corruption is eradicated most of the problems will be solved. We don't want the origin of corruption back in power.

Are you sure it's a weeks operation? The only way the army can fight is by attacking camps deep inside Pak in Punjab and POK. It means a full scale war and who will win ?It could also mean defeat or a stalemate and a nuclear clash.

You are right any attack in side Pakistan will be change in full scale war. If India will won war but with it cann't win Kashmiries. Best solution of this problem is that India and Pakistan both kept which is with them. Second India abolish section 370.

That should have been done soon after Pakistan declared war on India after Independence..

I am amazed at the manner in which the Hindus have been treated in the valley simply because Muslims are in majority , so one can imagine what would be the fate of the hindus in Years to cone when their number keeps growing as it has been happening so far  . Not a murmur about the suffering of Pandits  from the grand old Communal party or any of it's leaders . Today they defend the stone pelters and ask Pakistan to help them remove Modi . My own feeling is that Kashmiri separatists and other terror group s draw their strength from our opposition politicians who are anything but patriotic ...

And one should not forget the fact that Nehru was a Kashmiri Pundit himself but did almost nothing to help them. He is rather responsible for present situation of Kashmiri Pundits.

usha manohar wrote:

anil wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

suni51 wrote:

We can eliminate terrorists and terrorism from Kashmir as it is very simple task (Army can do it within a week)  but if corruption is eradicated most of the problems will be solved. We don't want the origin of corruption back in power.

Are you sure it's a weeks operation? The only way the army can fight is by attacking camps deep inside Pak in Punjab and POK. It means a full scale war and who will win ?It could also mean defeat or a stalemate and a nuclear clash.

You are right any attack in side Pakistan will be change in full scale war. If India will won war but with it cann't win Kashmiries. Best solution of this problem is that India and Pakistan both kept which is with them. Second India abolish section 370.

That should have been done soon after Pakistan declared war on India after Independence..

I am amazed at the manner in which the Hindus have been treated in the valley simply because Muslims are in majority , so one can imagine what would be the fate of the hindus in Years to cone when their number keeps growing as it has been happening so far  . Not a murmur about the suffering of Pandits  from the grand old Communal party or any of it's leaders . Today they defend the stone pelters and ask Pakistan to help them remove Modi . My own feeling is that Kashmiri separatists and other terror group s draw their strength from our opposition politicians who are anything but patriotic ...

Pakistan attacked IN J&K in 1948. Time is gone and it is not fruitful to talk that it should be have been done at that time. If congress government of that time gave more time to army country and we we are not facing current problem. policy of center government of withdrawing cases from stone pelters is discoursing defence forces.

anil wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

anil wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

suni51 wrote:

We can eliminate terrorists and terrorism from Kashmir as it is very simple task (Army can do it within a week)  but if corruption is eradicated most of the problems will be solved. We don't want the origin of corruption back in power.

Are you sure it's a weeks operation? The only way the army can fight is by attacking camps deep inside Pak in Punjab and POK. It means a full scale war and who will win ?It could also mean defeat or a stalemate and a nuclear clash.

You are right any attack in side Pakistan will be change in full scale war. If India will won war but with it cann't win Kashmiries. Best solution of this problem is that India and Pakistan both kept which is with them. Second India abolish section 370.

That should have been done soon after Pakistan declared war on India after Independence..

I am amazed at the manner in which the Hindus have been treated in the valley simply because Muslims are in majority , so one can imagine what would be the fate of the hindus in Years to cone when their number keeps growing as it has been happening so far  . Not a murmur about the suffering of Pandits  from the grand old Communal party or any of it's leaders . Today they defend the stone pelters and ask Pakistan to help them remove Modi . My own feeling is that Kashmiri separatists and other terror group s draw their strength from our opposition politicians who are anything but patriotic ...

Pakistan attacked IN J&K in 1948. Time is gone and it is not fruitful to talk that it should be have been done at that time. If congress government of that time gave more time to army country and we we are not facing current problem. policy of center government of withdrawing cases from stone pelters is discoursing defence forces.

There is no solution to Kashmir issue. No doubt Nehru created it, but the BJP had 2 PM and 9 years in power. What did they do? The fact is it is not the BJP or Congress fault but the inherent nature of Hinduism that does not breed fanaticism and the "chalta hai" attitude.

suni51 wrote:

And one should not forget the fact that Nehru was a Kashmiri Pundit himself but did almost nothing to help them. He is rather responsible for present situation of Kashmiri Pundits.

Ok, this is an accepted fact. But harping on it is not going to solve the problem. What next?. BJP is in power for 10 years what did they do? The basic fault is with the` Hindu character that wants to avoid confrontation and hard decisions.

anil wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

anil wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

suni51 wrote:

We can eliminate terrorists and terrorism from Kashmir as it is very simple task (Army can do it within a week)  but if corruption is eradicated most of the problems will be solved. We don't want the origin of corruption back in power.

Are you sure it's a weeks operation? The only way the army can fight is by attacking camps deep inside Pak in Punjab and POK. It means a full scale war and who will win ?It could also mean defeat or a stalemate and a nuclear clash.

You are right any attack in side Pakistan will be change in full scale war. If India will won war but with it cann't win Kashmiries. Best solution of this problem is that India and Pakistan both kept which is with them. Second India abolish section 370.

That should have been done soon after Pakistan declared war on India after Independence..

I am amazed at the manner in which the Hindus have been treated in the valley simply because Muslims are in majority , so one can imagine what would be the fate of the hindus in Years to cone when their number keeps growing as it has been happening so far  . Not a murmur about the suffering of Pandits  from the grand old Communal party or any of it's leaders . Today they defend the stone pelters and ask Pakistan to help them remove Modi . My own feeling is that Kashmiri separatists and other terror group s draw their strength from our opposition politicians who are anything but patriotic ...

Pakistan attacked IN J&K in 1948. Time is gone and it is not fruitful to talk that it should be have been done at that time. If congress government of that time gave more time to army country and we we are not facing current problem. policy of center government of withdrawing cases from stone pelters is discoursing defence forces.

I wonder why people are not commenting that root cause of Kashmir problem is the Hindu psyche which is non-violent and appeasement. That's the reason Muslims and British ruled over millions of Hindus with a handful of men. During Mughal Raj, the Mughals numbered no more than 100,000 but Hindus numbered 250 million yet like meek sheep they allowed them to be herded.

MG Singh wrote:

anil wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

anil wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

suni51 wrote:

We can eliminate terrorists and terrorism from Kashmir as it is very simple task (Army can do it within a week)  but if corruption is eradicated most of the problems will be solved. We don't want the origin of corruption back in power.

Are you sure it's a weeks operation? The only way the army can fight is by attacking camps deep inside Pak in Punjab and POK. It means a full scale war and who will win ?It could also mean defeat or a stalemate and a nuclear clash.

You are right any attack in side Pakistan will be change in full scale war. If India will won war but with it cann't win Kashmiries. Best solution of this problem is that India and Pakistan both kept which is with them. Second India abolish section 370.

That should have been done soon after Pakistan declared war on India after Independence..

I am amazed at the manner in which the Hindus have been treated in the valley simply because Muslims are in majority , so one can imagine what would be the fate of the hindus in Years to cone when their number keeps growing as it has been happening so far  . Not a murmur about the suffering of Pandits  from the grand old Communal party or any of it's leaders . Today they defend the stone pelters and ask Pakistan to help them remove Modi . My own feeling is that Kashmiri separatists and other terror group s draw their strength from our opposition politicians who are anything but patriotic ...

Pakistan attacked IN J&K in 1948. Time is gone and it is not fruitful to talk that it should be have been done at that time. If congress government of that time gave more time to army country and we we are not facing current problem. policy of center government of withdrawing cases from stone pelters is discoursing defence forces.

I wonder why people are not commenting that root cause of Kashmir problem is the Hindu psyche which is non-violent and appeasement. That's the reason Muslims and British ruled over millions of Hindus with a handful of men. During Mughal Raj, the Mughals numbered no more than 100,000 but Hindus numbered 250 million yet like meek sheep they allowed them to be herded.

I agree with you to a great extent. That is one reason I support a Hindu Government in India for coming decade so that minority appeasement and soft hinduism is not promoted and misused any more.

MG Singh wrote:

suni51 wrote:

And one should not forget the fact that Nehru was a Kashmiri Pundit himself but did almost nothing to help them. He is rather responsible for present situation of Kashmiri Pundits.

Ok, this is an accepted fact. But harping on it is not going to solve the problem. What next?. BJP is in power for 10 years what did they do? The basic fault is with the` Hindu character that wants to avoid confrontation and hard decisions.

These is no benefit of this parrot cram that Nehru is responsible for Kashmir problem. No one can live in past. It is time to think for present and future. It is in hand but it is not possible to change past. Best solution is to abolish 370 like permit system.

MG Singh wrote:

anil wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

anil wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

suni51 wrote:

We can eliminate terrorists and terrorism from Kashmir as it is very simple task (Army can do it within a week)  but if corruption is eradicated most of the problems will be solved. We don't want the origin of corruption back in power.

Are you sure it's a weeks operation? The only way the army can fight is by attacking camps deep inside Pak in Punjab and POK. It means a full scale war and who will win ?It could also mean defeat or a stalemate and a nuclear clash.

You are right any attack in side Pakistan will be change in full scale war. If India will won war but with it cann't win Kashmiries. Best solution of this problem is that India and Pakistan both kept which is with them. Second India abolish section 370.

That should have been done soon after Pakistan declared war on India after Independence..

I am amazed at the manner in which the Hindus have been treated in the valley simply because Muslims are in majority , so one can imagine what would be the fate of the hindus in Years to cone when their number keeps growing as it has been happening so far  . Not a murmur about the suffering of Pandits  from the grand old Communal party or any of it's leaders . Today they defend the stone pelters and ask Pakistan to help them remove Modi . My own feeling is that Kashmiri separatists and other terror group s draw their strength from our opposition politicians who are anything but patriotic ...

Pakistan attacked IN J&K in 1948. Time is gone and it is not fruitful to talk that it should be have been done at that time. If congress government of that time gave more time to army country and we we are not facing current problem. policy of center government of withdrawing cases from stone pelters is discoursing defence forces.

There is no solution to Kashmir issue. No doubt Nehru created it, but the BJP had 2 PM and 9 years in power. What did they do? The fact is it is not the BJP or Congress fault but the inherent nature of Hinduism that does not breed fanaticism and the "chalta hai" attitude.

Congress had 5 PM. What did they do? Indria Gandhi had  chance but was not patient. She lost this chance is lost 4 hours of meeting in Shimla after 1971 war. These are words of Banzeer Bhutto which so wrote in her book daughter of East. 

I agree with @ MG about the Hindu psyche..we are opportunistic and fence sitters jumping to any side that benefits us ...I hope the future generations wake up to the fact and deal with the situation in a better manner , that is if it is not too late already..