Justice for Aarushi Talwar

Actually we happen to believe everything true as media project. I remember, I also felt very angry and considered the parents to be the real culprits but somehow that perception changed when I watched the movie 'Talwar'. Somewhere I felt something is wrong but neither I am a lawyer nor acquainted to the family that I can be certain about my opinion. Today I am happy that if the parents were not guilty then they deserve to be free. They lost their daughter as well as faced so much of trauma and we pass judgement according to our assumption. I remember Shobha Dey calling them monster parents but where is she now. These high profile people must learn how to opine. CBI court was not the ultimate one so we must not comment without having a clear picture.       

Taking all the available evidence into account , the CBI still is of the opinion that nobody else but the Talwars could have carried out the crime. The Noida police either blotched up the evidence purposely or due to their inefficiency which is hard to believe because the police department knows what is to be done in a crime scene. Either way when CBI entered the case , they could only put together circumstancial evidence which was a set back. However, there is no running away from conscience ..

Yes surely they are freed in lack of enough evidence. @ Shampa I too feel for the parents. No parents would such things in a sane situation. If they did so, there must be some really disturbing and extreme conditions. We can not judge them. I will watch the movie Talwar. It is still a due one.

But when it comes to the efficiency of system and law, it has actually failed

 I agree totally that it is unimaginable to think of parents committing a crime against their child . I have a neighbor whose daughter is living in Noida at Jalvayuvihar where the Talwars have their house and the murder took place. According to some of the neighbors ,who have been there for a long time Aarushi was adopted and when the investigation took place they had told the police about it.  

usha manohar wrote:

 I agree totally that it is unimaginable to think of parents committing a crime against their child . I have a neighbor whose daughter is living in Noida at Jalvayuvihar where the Talwars have their house and the murder took place. According to some of the neighbors ,who have been there for a long time Aarushi was adopted and when the investigation took place they had told the police about it.  

The case was handed over to another CBI officer and suddenly investigation took a new turn. Sometimes what we can't imagine that might occur but the point is the CBI must put forward a strong proof against the parents and can't blame them only on the basis of their imagination. Assumption should not be the basis of investigation. Secondly, adoption can't be a blame factor. There are numerous couple who have become parents after adopting a child and they love them selflessly so why should this be a criterion to adjudge the Talwars and declare them culprits. 

When we know that even now a certain section of the society regardless of education and social standing still believes that honor killing is justified , anything is possible. People kill their own children and siblings without a second thought to " preserve family honor"  . With such convoluted thought process I don't put anyone beyond carrying out anything more so when no other possibility exists.

No one killed Jessica is now no one killed Aarushi. But if prosecution cannot provide clinching evidence the accused will get benefit of doubt and go shot free. We can only speculate. Who had the best motive to kill her can be a pointer for us.

Circumstantial evidence also suffices to convict some one if the evidence clearly establishes that there was only one probability of the accused person being guilty.  There is no doubt that Hem Raj and Arushi were killed. There is also no doubt that there must be some killer.  It could be a possibility that Hem Raj  could have first killed Arushi and then committed suicide. It was job of government to investigate and prosecute with proper evidence. Apparently, the government failed to prove the guilt. Hence benefit of doubt. 

usha manohar wrote:

When we know that even now a certain section of the society regardless of education and social standing still believes that honor killing is justified , anything is possible. People kill their own children and siblings without a second thought to " preserve family honor"  . With such convoluted thought process I don't put anyone beyond carrying out anything more so when no other possibility exists.

Yes, I too opined in my previous comment that anything can happen so nothing should be outrightly denied. Still, my opinion is that the CBI for their own convenience gave it a look of an honour killing and wrapped up their investigation which is unacceptable. HC has remarked that CBI handled the case in a very shoddy manner. Hope the real culprits get caught as soon as possible.    

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

When we know that even now a certain section of the society regardless of education and social standing still believes that honor killing is justified , anything is possible. People kill their own children and siblings without a second thought to " preserve family honor"  . With such convoluted thought process I don't put anyone beyond carrying out anything more so when no other possibility exists.

Yes, I too opined in my previous comment that anything can happen so nothing should be outrightly denied. Still, my opinion is that the CBI for their own convenience gave it a look of an honour killing and wrapped up their investigation which is unacceptable. HC has remarked that CBI handled the case in a very shoddy manner. Hope the real culprits get caught as soon as possible.    

The CBI came in much later after the initial blotch up was done by the police who messed up the crime scene. HC cannot blame only the CBI beause the initial investigation was done in a shoddy manner by the police who did not collect evidence that was available and did not even seal the scene of crime for the first two days thereby directly/indirectly helping the murderer(s). CBI under the circumstances had n other go but to rely only on circumstancial evidence that was available to them.

usha manohar wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

When we know that even now a certain section of the society regardless of education and social standing still believes that honor killing is justified , anything is possible. People kill their own children and siblings without a second thought to " preserve family honor"  . With such convoluted thought process I don't put anyone beyond carrying out anything more so when no other possibility exists.

Yes, I too opined in my previous comment that anything can happen so nothing should be outrightly denied. Still, my opinion is that the CBI for their own convenience gave it a look of an honour killing and wrapped up their investigation which is unacceptable. HC has remarked that CBI handled the case in a very shoddy manner. Hope the real culprits get caught as soon as possible.    

The CBI came in much later after the initial blotch up was done by the police who messed up the crime scene. HC cannot blame only the CBI beause the initial investigation was done in a shoddy manner by the police who did not collect evidence that was available and did not even seal the scene of crime for the first two days thereby directly/indirectly helping the murderer(s). CBI under the circumstances had n other go but to rely only on circumstancial evidence that was available to them.

Yes, that is right. Actually, the mindset of the investigators is very difficult to understand. The problem is, every investigator is not that efficient and general people suffer due to the inefficiency of the police and so on.  

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vijay wrote:

No one killed Jessica is now no one killed Aarushi. But if prosecution cannot provide clinching evidence the accused will get benefit of doubt and go shot free. We can only speculate. Who had the best motive to kill her can be a pointer for us.

No one killed Jessica....there we knew who killed for sure, but had power backing and escaped. Here we are not sure. We have pointers suggesting honor killing but lack of evidence could not prove that

Arunima Singh wrote:

vijay wrote:

No one killed Jessica is now no one killed Aarushi. But if prosecution cannot provide clinching evidence the accused will get benefit of doubt and go shot free. We can only speculate. Who had the best motive to kill her can be a pointer for us.

No one killed Jessica....there we knew who killed for sure, but had power backing and escaped. Here we are not sure. We have pointers suggesting honor killing but lack of evidence could not prove that

Either our justice system is flawed or as it happens with all the rich and the powerful , it is biased. We have seen how Salman Khan got away and became even more popular after the hit and run case. I tend to be think that as a nation our own sense f Justice is questionable or else how do political criminals roam free . In this case there is no doubt , that benefit of doubt can be given to the parents since the investigation itself did not happen as it should have and all the evidence was tampered with and destroyed.

Any system can be misused if people do not go by their conscience .We have cases across the Globe where justice has failed or has been misused. While there are very few cases abroad, it is other way around here. 

Here Injustice has become the norm. Even if there is fair judgement, it is too delayed. Justice delayed is justice denied.

At least   is not to hang the innocent in law.

Arunima Singh wrote:

Any system can be misused if people do not go by their conscience .We have cases across the Globe where justice has failed or has been misused. While there are very few cases abroad, it is other way around here. 

Here Injustice has become the norm. Even if there is fair judgement, it is too delayed. Justice delayed is justice denied.

See Vijay Mallya and Lalit Modi, who are wanted in India but are absconders. Although criminals, they are enjoying their lives abroad. Thus, in every case it is a matter of great concern that the real culprits will be punished or not. Here, money power can make or break the fate which is quite a disturbing practice.     

Injustice is a part of life everywhere and life is unfair ...It is the fittest that survive anywhere . There are so many cases involving politicians  like Bofors, Augustawestland , any number land grabbing cases and fodder scam. Why question Vijay Malya and Lalit Modi who had to run away ? The politicians are right here and lording over everyone which is even more insulting to the justice system of our country.

usha manohar wrote:

Injustice is a part of life everywhere and life is unfair ...It is the fittest that survive anywhere . There are so many cases involving politicians  like Bofors, Augustawestland , any number land grabbing cases and fodder scam. Why question Vijay Malya and Lalit Modi who had to run away ? The politicians are right here and lording over everyone which is even more insulting to the justice system of our country.

I totally agree with you. The fittest survive.. so in a jungle rule, the one who is more barbaric is the one who has the way. At least in this case, the crime is a personal one which impacts a single family. However, there are numerous cases where the crime is done drunk with power and it impacts some other person or the society and many a times a national interest but wrongdoers get away with it.