With the recent "Lone Wolf" attacks such as the one in London, what is the reason that these terrorists, leaving all rationality and sympathy behind, indulge in such heinous acts?
What measures should the administration take to stop them without hurting sentiments of the minorities?
jabeen wrote:usha manohar wrote:If this had happened with a minority community , one can well imagine what would be the reaction of the media, the " intellectual brigade" and our politicians ...Can we blame the Hindu groups for feeling alienated?
That was a very unfortunate incident to happen. Its not about minority or majority community. Why should religious processions be attacked like that? I find it hard to digest that the police did nothing when they were being attacked.
Ideally no religion shd come into public places but religious processions are found all over the world and one simply cannot ban them. But this must be a first where a majority Community gets attacked by a minority Community. Goes to show the audacity they have and to what extent our Communal parties have given them the freedom to do so..
usha manohar wrote:jabeen wrote:usha manohar wrote:If this had happened with a minority community , one can well imagine what would be the reaction of the media, the " intellectual brigade" and our politicians ...Can we blame the Hindu groups for feeling alienated?
That was a very unfortunate incident to happen. Its not about minority or majority community. Why should religious processions be attacked like that? I find it hard to digest that the police did nothing when they were being attacked.
Ideally no religion shd come into public places but religious processions are found all over the world and one simply cannot ban them. But this must be a first where a majority Community gets attacked by a minority Community. Goes to show the audacity they have and to what extent our Communal parties have given them the freedom to do so..
With respect (and I might be wrong) , but your reply suggests that the majority has the right to attack the minorities and if it happens the other way round, we question their audacity and blame the parties?
Abhishek Sharma wrote:usha manohar wrote:jabeen wrote:usha manohar wrote:If this had happened with a minority community , one can well imagine what would be the reaction of the media, the " intellectual brigade" and our politicians ...Can we blame the Hindu groups for feeling alienated?
That was a very unfortunate incident to happen. Its not about minority or majority community. Why should religious processions be attacked like that? I find it hard to digest that the police did nothing when they were being attacked.
Ideally no religion shd come into public places but religious processions are found all over the world and one simply cannot ban them. But this must be a first where a majority Community gets attacked by a minority Community. Goes to show the audacity they have and to what extent our Communal parties have given them the freedom to do so..
With respect (and I might be wrong) , but your reply suggests that the majority has the right to attack the minorities and if it happens the other way round, we question their audacity and blame the parties?
Absolutely not , in fact I am totally against any kind attack or violence be it by the minorities or by the majority Community . But in India the minority appeasing has gone on to such an extent that they feel emboldened to attack knowing fully well that they will not be touched and I was trying to highlight this fact !!
The incident that took place in Bihar, where a group of Muslims attacked with cricket Bats a group of Hindus were celebrating Ram Navami.
This Muslim group destroyed idols of lord Rama. Bihar government did nothing. Perhaps the Government Bihar doesn't want to disturb its Vote Bank. Is it the secularism in India? Neither the politicians nor the press interfered.
A shameful incident.
Abhishek Sharma wrote:usha manohar wrote:jabeen wrote:usha manohar wrote:If this had happened with a minority community , one can well imagine what would be the reaction of the media, the " intellectual brigade" and our politicians ...Can we blame the Hindu groups for feeling alienated?
That was a very unfortunate incident to happen. Its not about minority or majority community. Why should religious processions be attacked like that? I find it hard to digest that the police did nothing when they were being attacked.
Ideally no religion shd come into public places but religious processions are found all over the world and one simply cannot ban them. But this must be a first where a majority Community gets attacked by a minority Community. Goes to show the audacity they have and to what extent our Communal parties have given them the freedom to do so..
With respect (and I might be wrong) , but your reply suggests that the majority has the right to attack the minorities and if it happens the other way round, we question their audacity and blame the parties?
I don't think she meant it that way at all! But the truth is that Hindus never (with exceptions of course) intentionally attack and disrupt Moharram processions, but Muslims are often known to attack Hindu processions on several occasions with intention to disrupt and cause harm. Also, it is a known fact that Hindus are not allowed to celebrate Durga Puja festival in West Bengal, Durga Pooja celebrations being the core and most important part of Bengali culture, just because Muslims do not like it, and India is a Hindu country. So where does that leave us Hindus??
Quite a good clarification
In my neighboring district Vizianagaram, Muslims are allowed to Celebrate Muharram without any fear.. This is an exception.
Where as in most of the Northern States, practically every Hindu Festival is being obstructed or created hindrances by Muslims.
Now, we all know how Rama Navami festival is being disrupted in Bihar.
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:Abhishek Sharma wrote:usha manohar wrote:jabeen wrote:usha manohar wrote:If this had happened with a minority community , one can well imagine what would be the reaction of the media, the " intellectual brigade" and our politicians ...Can we blame the Hindu groups for feeling alienated?
That was a very unfortunate incident to happen. Its not about minority or majority community. Why should religious processions be attacked like that? I find it hard to digest that the police did nothing when they were being attacked.
Ideally no religion shd come into public places but religious processions are found all over the world and one simply cannot ban them. But this must be a first where a majority Community gets attacked by a minority Community. Goes to show the audacity they have and to what extent our Communal parties have given them the freedom to do so..
With respect (and I might be wrong) , but your reply suggests that the majority has the right to attack the minorities and if it happens the other way round, we question their audacity and blame the parties?
I don't think she meant it that way at all! But the truth is that Hindus never (with exceptions of course) intentionally attack and disrupt Moharram processions, but Muslims are often known to attack Hindu processions on several occasions with intention to disrupt and cause harm. Also, it is a known fact that Hindus are not allowed to celebrate Durga Puja festival in West Bengal, Durga Pooja celebrations being the core and most important part of Bengali culture, just because Muslims do not like it, and India is a Hindu country. So where does that leave us Hindus??
#1 India is not a Hindu country. Its a secular republic.
#2 Exceptions are there on both sides, but only some get highlighted.
#3 Durga idol immersion was delayed due to Moharram. There was no ban on celebrations and the decision was rejected by Calcutta HC.
I'm not taking sides. Of course the administration has to be blamed for all this. But the media plays a vital role in showing one side of a coin and not telling the whole story.
OK. I agree, India is a secular Country.
In a secular Country any one can choose a religion of their choice and respect the other religions.
Now coming to the point, You know what happened in Bihar. Muslims attacked Hindus on Rama navami day and destroyed the idols of Rama.
Had these Muslims respected an important Hindu festival, this would not have happened.
Do stray incidents define the character of a community or religion or region or a state. The shameful act by a Shiv sena member in Air India cannot be said to represent the proud Marathis or Maharashtrians. The killing of a Muslim on cow transportation (even with a valid permission) in Alwar cannot be representative of all Rajasthanis. How can a member believe that in West Bengal Durga Puja can be ever be banned? Can Ganpati festival be banned in Maharashtra? Even after nearly 900 years of Muslim rule and its cruelties Hinduism has survived. So let us not be pessimistic. And let us not be naïve to blindly believe motivated hearsay and in our passion spread it.
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:Abhishek Sharma wrote:usha manohar wrote:jabeen wrote:usha manohar wrote:If this had happened with a minority community , one can well imagine what would be the reaction of the media, the " intellectual brigade" and our politicians ...Can we blame the Hindu groups for feeling alienated?
That was a very unfortunate incident to happen. Its not about minority or majority community. Why should religious processions be attacked like that? I find it hard to digest that the police did nothing when they were being attacked.
Ideally no religion shd come into public places but religious processions are found all over the world and one simply cannot ban them. But this must be a first where a majority Community gets attacked by a minority Community. Goes to show the audacity they have and to what extent our Communal parties have given them the freedom to do so..
With respect (and I might be wrong) , but your reply suggests that the majority has the right to attack the minorities and if it happens the other way round, we question their audacity and blame the parties?
I don't think she meant it that way at all! But the truth is that Hindus never (with exceptions of course) intentionally attack and disrupt Moharram processions, but Muslims are often known to attack Hindu processions on several occasions with intention to disrupt and cause harm. Also, it is a known fact that Hindus are not allowed to celebrate Durga Puja festival in West Bengal, Durga Pooja celebrations being the core and most important part of Bengali culture, just because Muslims do not like it, and India is a Hindu country. So where does that leave us Hindus??
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote
I don't think she meant it that way at all! But the truth is that Hindus never (with exceptions of course) intentionally attack and disrupt Moharram processions, but Muslims are often known to attack Hindu processions on several occasions with intention to disrupt and cause harm. Also, it is a known fact that Hindus are not allowed to celebrate Durga Puja festival in West Bengal, Durga Pooja celebrations being the core and most important part of Bengali culture, just because Muslims do not like it, and India is a Hindu country. So where does that leave us Hindus??
Abhishek Sharma wrote:Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:Abhishek Sharma wrote:usha manohar wrote:jabeen wrote:usha manohar wrote:If this had happened with a minority community , one can well imagine what would be the reaction of the media, the " intellectual brigade" and our politicians ...Can we blame the Hindu groups for feeling alienated?
That was a very unfortunate incident to happen. Its not about minority or majority community. Why should religious processions be attacked like that? I find it hard to digest that the police did nothing when they were being attacked.
Ideally no religion shd come into public places but religious processions are found all over the world and one simply cannot ban them. But this must be a first where a majority Community gets attacked by a minority Community. Goes to show the audacity they have and to what extent our Communal parties have given them the freedom to do so..
With respect (and I might be wrong) , but your reply suggests that the majority has the right to attack the minorities and if it happens the other way round, we question their audacity and blame the parties?
I don't think she meant it that way at all! But the truth is that Hindus never (with exceptions of course) intentionally attack and disrupt Moharram processions, but Muslims are often known to attack Hindu processions on several occasions with intention to disrupt and cause harm. Also, it is a known fact that Hindus are not allowed to celebrate Durga Puja festival in West Bengal, Durga Pooja celebrations being the core and most important part of Bengali culture, just because Muslims do not like it, and India is a Hindu country. So where does that leave us Hindus??
#1 India is not a Hindu country. Its a secular republic.
#2 Exceptions are there on both sides, but only some get highlighted.
#3 Durga idol immersion was delayed due to Moharram. There was no ban on celebrations and the decision was rejected by Calcutta HC.
I'm not taking sides. Of course the administration has to be blamed for all this. But the media plays a vital role in showing one side of a coin and not telling the whole story.
#1 the major problem lies with India being a so called secular nation ..
# 3 this is what happened and the high court had to say about the issue ..
The Calcutta High Court has held the time limits set by the West Bengal government for Durga idol immersion next week, on account of Moharram, as “arbitrary” and said the order was a “clear endeavour” by the state to “appease the minority section of the public”.
And
There has been a clear endeavour on the part of the state government to pamper and appease the minority section of the public at the cost of the majority section without there being any plausible justification. The reason therefore is, however, not far to seek,” the court added.
Bijoy Dashami, the day of the Durga idol immersion, falls on October 11 this year. The tazia procession for Muharram is to take place the next day.
I don't understand this eagerness to trivialize and whitewash the truth with regard to any Injustice done to Hindus ..
usha manohar wrote:Abhishek Sharma wrote:Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:Abhishek Sharma wrote:usha manohar wrote:jabeen wrote:usha manohar wrote:If this had happened with a minority community , one can well imagine what would be the reaction of the media, the " intellectual brigade" and our politicians ...Can we blame the Hindu groups for feeling alienated?
That was a very unfortunate incident to happen. Its not about minority or majority community. Why should religious processions be attacked like that? I find it hard to digest that the police did nothing when they were being attacked.
Ideally no religion shd come into public places but religious processions are found all over the world and one simply cannot ban them. But this must be a first where a majority Community gets attacked by a minority Community. Goes to show the audacity they have and to what extent our Communal parties have given them the freedom to do so..
With respect (and I might be wrong) , but your reply suggests that the majority has the right to attack the minorities and if it happens the other way round, we question their audacity and blame the parties?
I don't think she meant it that way at all! But the truth is that Hindus never (with exceptions of course) intentionally attack and disrupt Moharram processions, but Muslims are often known to attack Hindu processions on several occasions with intention to disrupt and cause harm. Also, it is a known fact that Hindus are not allowed to celebrate Durga Puja festival in West Bengal, Durga Pooja celebrations being the core and most important part of Bengali culture, just because Muslims do not like it, and India is a Hindu country. So where does that leave us Hindus??
#1 India is not a Hindu country. Its a secular republic.
#2 Exceptions are there on both sides, but only some get highlighted.
#3 Durga idol immersion was delayed due to Moharram. There was no ban on celebrations and the decision was rejected by Calcutta HC.
I'm not taking sides. Of course the administration has to be blamed for all this. But the media plays a vital role in showing one side of a coin and not telling the whole story.
#1 the major problem lies with India being a so called secular nation ..
# 3 this is what happened and the high court had to say about the issue ..
The Calcutta High Court has held the time limits set by the West Bengal government for Durga idol immersion next week, on account of Moharram, as “arbitrary” and said the order was a “clear endeavour” by the state to “appease the minority section of the public”.
And
There has been a clear endeavour on the part of the state government to pamper and appease the minority section of the public at the cost of the majority section without there being any plausible justification. The reason therefore is, however, not far to seek,” the court added.
Bijoy Dashami, the day of the Durga idol immersion, falls on October 11 this year. The tazia procession for Muharram is to take place the next day.
I don't understand this eagerness to trivialize and whitewash the truth with regard to any Injustice done to Hindus ..
As I said, its the media which hides the truth. Here's an instance-
In 2015, major news channels were running a news item #DurgaPujaBan stating that a village in West Bengal was not allowed to celebrate Durga Puja due to the Muslims in the area. But this was only one side of the argument.
On investigation, it was found that sacrifice for Eid was banned in the village by the Hindus since 2003!!
But the media relentlessly blamed the Muslims for this. If this isn't the root cause of hate among different religious sects, then I don't know what is.
But that doesn't mean the administration wasn't wrong. They could've handled it way better.
Source- https://scroll.in/article/766597/ground-report-was-durga-pujo-really-banned-in-a-west-bengal-village
usha manohar wrote:Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:Abhishek Sharma wrote:usha manohar wrote:jabeen wrote:usha manohar wrote:If this had happened with a minority community , one can well imagine what would be the reaction of the media, the " intellectual brigade" and our politicians ...Can we blame the Hindu groups for feeling alienated?
That was a very unfortunate incident to happen. Its not about minority or majority community. Why should religious processions be attacked like that? I find it hard to digest that the police did nothing when they were being attacked.
Ideally no religion shd come into public places but religious processions are found all over the world and one simply cannot ban them. But this must be a first where a majority Community gets attacked by a minority Community. Goes to show the audacity they have and to what extent our Communal parties have given them the freedom to do so..
With respect (and I might be wrong) , but your reply suggests that the majority has the right to attack the minorities and if it happens the other way round, we question their audacity and blame the parties?
I don't think she meant it that way at all! But the truth is that Hindus never (with exceptions of course) intentionally attack and disrupt Moharram processions, but Muslims are often known to attack Hindu processions on several occasions with intention to disrupt and cause harm. Also, it is a known fact that Hindus are not allowed to celebrate Durga Puja festival in West Bengal, Durga Pooja celebrations being the core and most important part of Bengali culture, just because Muslims do not like it, and India is a Hindu country. So where does that leave us Hindus??
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote
I don't think she meant it that way at all! But the truth is that Hindus never (with exceptions of course) intentionally attack and disrupt Moharram processions, but Muslims are often known to attack Hindu processions on several occasions with intention to disrupt and cause harm. Also, it is a known fact that Hindus are not allowed to celebrate Durga Puja festival in West Bengal, Durga Pooja celebrations being the core and most important part of Bengali culture, just because Muslims do not like it, and India is a Hindu country. So where does that leave us Hindus??
I agree Kalyani , even here in Mangalore we have had several incidents when Ganapati processions and Sri Krishna ashtami processions get disrupted . But thankfully it does not lead to any major violence that disrupts our daily lives . But if it was the other way round , just imagine...
Here in AP, a city . in Vizianagaram, a local Goddess festival is celebrated after Dasara.every year. A local Congress leader once tried to disrupt the procession.
But, the crowd chased the Congress leader . And after that everything went on peacefully.
While I agree that media does play a major role in manipulating public perception , it is also true that most of our psuedo secular politicians like Mamata, Mayawati, Lalu and the Congress leaders have always been anything but secular in their outlook and policies . One has to blame them for most of the Communal and terror related problems we are facing today including the issue of Kashmir!
Abhishek Sharma wrote:usha manohar wrote:Abhishek Sharma wrote:Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:Abhishek Sharma wrote:usha manohar wrote:jabeen wrote:usha manohar wrote:If this had happened with a minority community , one can well imagine what would be the reaction of the media, the " intellectual brigade" and our politicians ...Can we blame the Hindu groups for feeling alienated?
That was a very unfortunate incident to happen. Its not about minority or majority community. Why should religious processions be attacked like that? I find it hard to digest that the police did nothing when they were being attacked.
Ideally no religion shd come into public places but religious processions are found all over the world and one simply cannot ban them. But this must be a first where a majority Community gets attacked by a minority Community. Goes to show the audacity they have and to what extent our Communal parties have given them the freedom to do so..
With respect (and I might be wrong) , but your reply suggests that the majority has the right to attack the minorities and if it happens the other way round, we question their audacity and blame the parties?
I don't think she meant it that way at all! But the truth is that Hindus never (with exceptions of course) intentionally attack and disrupt Moharram processions, but Muslims are often known to attack Hindu processions on several occasions with intention to disrupt and cause harm. Also, it is a known fact that Hindus are not allowed to celebrate Durga Puja festival in West Bengal, Durga Pooja celebrations being the core and most important part of Bengali culture, just because Muslims do not like it, and India is a Hindu country. So where does that leave us Hindus??
#1 India is not a Hindu country. Its a secular republic.
#2 Exceptions are there on both sides, but only some get highlighted.
#3 Durga idol immersion was delayed due to Moharram. There was no ban on celebrations and the decision was rejected by Calcutta HC.
I'm not taking sides. Of course the administration has to be blamed for all this. But the media plays a vital role in showing one side of a coin and not telling the whole story.
#1 the major problem lies with India being a so called secular nation ..
# 3 this is what happened and the high court had to say about the issue ..
The Calcutta High Court has held the time limits set by the West Bengal government for Durga idol immersion next week, on account of Moharram, as “arbitrary” and said the order was a “clear endeavour” by the state to “appease the minority section of the public”.
And
There has been a clear endeavour on the part of the state government to pamper and appease the minority section of the public at the cost of the majority section without there being any plausible justification. The reason therefore is, however, not far to seek,” the court added.
Bijoy Dashami, the day of the Durga idol immersion, falls on October 11 this year. The tazia procession for Muharram is to take place the next day.
I don't understand this eagerness to trivialize and whitewash the truth with regard to any Injustice done to Hindus ..
As I said, its the media which hides the truth. Here's an instance-
In 2015, major news channels were running a news item #DurgaPujaBan stating that a village in West Bengal was not allowed to celebrate Durga Puja due to the Muslims in the area. But this was only one side of the argument.
On investigation, it was found that sacrifice for Eid was banned in the village by the Hindus since 2003!!
But the media relentlessly blamed the Muslims for this. If this isn't the root cause of hate among different religious sects, then I don't know what is.
But that doesn't mean the administration wasn't wrong. They could've handled it way better.
Source- https://scroll.in/article/766597/ground-report-was-durga-pujo-really-banned-in-a-west-bengal-village
https://scroll.in/article/766597/ground-report-was-durga-pujo-really-banned-in-a-west-bengal-village
What is the reason that these terrorists, leaving all rationality and sympathy behind, indulge in such heinous acts?
What measures should the administration take to stop them without hurting sentiments of the minorities?
There has been a lot of hue and cry over the incident that happened in Srinagar, where the army personnel tied a stone pelter to the Jeep to find an escape route since their lives were endangered. No doubt that opinions may be divided but is it not the duty of our politicians to take a balanced stand rather than support the terrorists which is exactly what Abdullah father/ son and the CPM is doing
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Category: General Discussions 4 weeks agolWhat is the reason that these terrorists, leaving all rationality and sympathy behind, indulge in such heinous acts?
What measures should the administration take to stop them without hurting sentiments of the minorities?
There has been a lot of hue and cry over the incident that happened in Srinagar, where the army personnel tied a stone pelter to the Jeep to find an escape route since their lives were endangered. No doubt that opinions may be divided but is it not the duty of our politicians to take a balanced stand rather than support the terrorists which is exactly what Abdullah father/ son and the CPM is doing
I saw this video where the young Kashmiri boys were slapping, kicking and mocking some Army Jawans who were just passing by.
I was amazed to see that none of the Jawans retaliated. They even had guns with them. No one talks about these videos, where our brave Jawans suffer such harassment . All they want to talk about is some stone pelter tied to a jeep for defense (and rightly so).
Watch the video....Its frustrating but gives the true measure of a soldier's patience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wphe04tgfjg
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