An article worth reading !

The differences will disappear the day know the importance of their motherland otherwise Taimur or Langur makes no difference for them.

Yes. I read this article when it came. I liked it and totally agree with Fateh's view point. There are many Taimur in India ( around 5000, what I read somewhere), but this name created some anger among many as it was a celebrity couple who named their son. 

On the one hand Saif Ali Khan is supposed to be a Historian, whatever that means because it looks as if all historic facts and gory details of Taimur seems to have escaped his historic mind or else he would think twice and also have some respet for the majority community that was at the receiving end. However, it is their child and their wish, so be it ...

usha manohar wrote:

On the one hand Saif Ali Khan is supposed to be a Historian, whatever that means because it looks as if all historic facts and gory details of Taimur seems to have escaped his historic mind or else he would think twice and also have some respet for the majority community that was at the receiving end. However, it is their child and their wish, so be it ...

True...that kind of apathy towards a specifically horrible part of history and naming their son in spite of it questions the grounds on which Saif claims himself to be a historian. But more than the controversy surrounding the name of their child, what struck out to me most was the question that Tarek Fateh raised, that Indian Muslims consider themselves to be so much alienated or distant from Indian culture that their names are all Arab and Persian, and not Indian. whereas Muslims in Turkey, African countries, Indonesia etc. carry names rooted from their local cultures. This is what disturbed me the most.

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

On the one hand Saif Ali Khan is supposed to be a Historian, whatever that means because it looks as if all historic facts and gory details of Taimur seems to have escaped his historic mind or else he would think twice and also have some respet for the majority community that was at the receiving end. However, it is their child and their wish, so be it ...

True...that kind of apathy towards a specifically horrible part of history and naming their son in spite of it questions the grounds on which Saif claims himself to be a historian. But more than the controversy surrounding the name of their child, what struck out to me most was the question that Tarek Fateh raised, that Indian Muslims consider themselves to be so much alienated or distant from Indian culture that their names are all Arab and Persian, and not Indian. whereas Muslims in Turkey, African countries, Indonesia etc. carry names rooted from their local cultures. This is what disturbed me the most.

Kalyani, it is also a lot to do with their leaders who tend to completely Identify themselves with Arabia rather than their native land unlike Christian s. In Mangalore most Christians and Catholic s have a Hindu first name and a Christian second name. . They have also adapted the bindi and mangalsutra although it is not mandatory. But it is a way of accepting and adapting the lands traditions and customs most of which are not religious..

usha manohar wrote:

On the one hand Saif Ali Khan is supposed to be a Historian, whatever that means because it looks as if all historic facts and gory details of Taimur seems to have escaped his historic mind or else he would think twice and also have some respet for the majority community that was at the receiving end. However, it is their child and their wish, so be it ...

Yes  it is their child they free to give him name of their choice, but they must not forgot that they are citizen of India where image of Tamur Lung is not good one.

anil wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

On the one hand Saif Ali Khan is supposed to be a Historian, whatever that means because it looks as if all historic facts and gory details of Taimur seems to have escaped his historic mind or else he would think twice and also have some respet for the majority community that was at the receiving end. However, it is their child and their wish, so be it ...

Yes  it is their child they free to give him name of their choice, but they must not forgot that they are citizen of India where image of Tamur Lung is not good one.

I agree.  Don't I have the freedom of naming child ? I know an old friend who named his son as  Suyodhan, other name  of Duryodhan.

rambabu wrote:

anil wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

On the one hand Saif Ali Khan is supposed to be a Historian, whatever that means because it looks as if all historic facts and gory details of Taimur seems to have escaped his historic mind or else he would think twice and also have some respet for the majority community that was at the receiving end. However, it is their child and their wish, so be it ...

Yes  it is their child they free to give him name of their choice, but they must not forgot that they are citizen of India where image of Tamur Lung is not good one.

I agree.  Don't I have the freedom of naming child ? I know an old friend who named his son as  Suyodhan, other name  of Duryodhan.

People knows name first than person. It is our tradition to name our child which give good impression. When Pran was famous villiane of Bollywood, no one like name their child Pran only because of his filmy image.

anil wrote:

rambabu wrote:

anil wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

On the one hand Saif Ali Khan is supposed to be a Historian, whatever that means because it looks as if all historic facts and gory details of Taimur seems to have escaped his historic mind or else he would think twice and also have some respet for the majority community that was at the receiving end. However, it is their child and their wish, so be it ...

Yes  it is their child they free to give him name of their choice, but they must not forgot that they are citizen of India where image of Tamur Lung is not good one.

I agree.  Don't I have the freedom of naming child ? I know an old friend who named his son as  Suyodhan, other name  of Duryodhan.

People knows name first than person. It is our tradition to name our child which give good impression. When Pran was famous villiane of Bollywood, no one like name their child Pran only because of his filmy image.

yes. During namkaran utsav, we name our child in such a way that he imbibes qualities of the name the child was given. an example is Sudarhan. And your example of Pran, I liked.

rambabu wrote:

anil wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

On the one hand Saif Ali Khan is supposed to be a Historian, whatever that means because it looks as if all historic facts and gory details of Taimur seems to have escaped his historic mind or else he would think twice and also have some respet for the majority community that was at the receiving end. However, it is their child and their wish, so be it ...

Yes  it is their child they free to give him name of their choice, but they must not forgot that they are citizen of India where image of Tamur Lung is not good one.

I agree.  Don't I have the freedom of naming child ? I know an old friend who named his son as  Suyodhan, other name  of Duryodhan.

Duryodhan had many great qualities and just because he was against the Pandavas does not make him an evil person. I guess you have not read the Mahabharat fully because only then you come to know how Krishna assessed personalities..

Naming a child has become a tough thing in today's world. Parents go to any extent in finding an unique name. Sometimes they fail to understand the meaning it carries. We have a child named Aashrit ( dependent) and other named Nirmam ( ruthless and cruel)in our apartment. But since here it is a popular celebrity couple, they ought to catch attention for all wrong reasons

usha manohar wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

On the one hand Saif Ali Khan is supposed to be a Historian, whatever that means because it looks as if all historic facts and gory details of Taimur seems to have escaped his historic mind or else he would think twice and also have some respet for the majority community that was at the receiving end. However, it is their child and their wish, so be it ...

True...that kind of apathy towards a specifically horrible part of history and naming their son in spite of it questions the grounds on which Saif claims himself to be a historian. But more than the controversy surrounding the name of their child, what struck out to me most was the question that Tarek Fateh raised, that Indian Muslims consider themselves to be so much alienated or distant from Indian culture that their names are all Arab and Persian, and not Indian. whereas Muslims in Turkey, African countries, Indonesia etc. carry names rooted from their local cultures. This is what disturbed me the most.

Kalyani, it is also a lot to do with their leaders who tend to completely Identify themselves with Arabia rather than their native land unlike Christian s. In Mangalore most Christians and Catholic s have a Hindu first name and a Christian second name. . They have also adapted the bindi and mangalsutra although it is not mandatory. But it is a way of accepting and adapting the lands traditions and customs most of which are not religious..

True Usha, that is exactly my point. Tamil Christians also wear a bindi and mangalsutra (or Thali - the South equivalent of mangalsutra) along with the cross, but they also perform Lakshmipoojan in Diwali and certain other Hindu rituals. But that is besides the point. It is the matter of feeling whether you are a part of the Indian local culture or whether you consider yourself different and alienated. Most Muslim families in Konkan, Maharashtra have Hindu surnames - a remnant of their origin. Most Muslim families have surnames like, Kaskar, Parkar, even Patwardhan which is a common Brahmin surname. And in this region, there is hardly any Hindu-Muslim conflict.

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

On the one hand Saif Ali Khan is supposed to be a Historian, whatever that means because it looks as if all historic facts and gory details of Taimur seems to have escaped his historic mind or else he would think twice and also have some respet for the majority community that was at the receiving end. However, it is their child and their wish, so be it ...

True...that kind of apathy towards a specifically horrible part of history and naming their son in spite of it questions the grounds on which Saif claims himself to be a historian. But more than the controversy surrounding the name of their child, what struck out to me most was the question that Tarek Fateh raised, that Indian Muslims consider themselves to be so much alienated or distant from Indian culture that their names are all Arab and Persian, and not Indian. whereas Muslims in Turkey, African countries, Indonesia etc. carry names rooted from their local cultures. This is what disturbed me the most.

Kalyani, it is also a lot to do with their leaders who tend to completely Identify themselves with Arabia rather than their native land unlike Christian s. In Mangalore most Christians and Catholic s have a Hindu first name and a Christian second name. . They have also adapted the bindi and mangalsutra although it is not mandatory. But it is a way of accepting and adapting the lands traditions and customs most of which are not religious..

True Usha, that is exactly my point. Tamil Christians also wear a bindi and mangalsutra (or Thali - the South equivalent of mangalsutra) along with the cross, but they also perform Lakshmipoojan in Diwali and certain other Hindu rituals. But that is besides the point. It is the matter of feeling whether you are a part of the Indian local culture or whether you consider yourself different and alienated. Most Muslim families in Konkan, Maharashtra have Hindu surnames - a remnant of their origin. Most Muslim families have surnames like, Kaskar, Parkar, even Patwardhan which is a common Brahmin surname. And in this region, there is hardly any Hindu-Muslim conflict.

Yes Kalyani that happens in Gujarat too and in North Kanara in places like Bhatkal with a large Muslim population. They iner mingle freely during festivities.

Naming a child is their prerogative but yes, the first impression of anyone's name matters a lot. God only knows why they opted such a name!

Either the parents lack any kind of sensitivity and care two hoots for history and it's impact on the nation or else are quite stupid with a singular lack of imagination to have come up with a name like that ..