Indian Muslims and ISI

anil wrote:

rambabu wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

@ M G Singh - The communal mess that is our country today , it would not be easy for RSS or Modi to put things right straight away. They will have to do it step by step , first to untangle the mess and then only one can get down to business.Of course there is a section that is watching like a hawk trying its level best to bring down the morale of the present government ..

These hawks can be ignored.. We know their mission is defaming a great leader.

No doubt we are ignoring these hawks but it is not enough. Indeed Modi and BJP government is pinching in the eyes of some person like thron. Even some leaders of BJP is also pulling leg of Modi.

 

 

That is bound to be there especially from turn coats who will be instigated by their former party members.. But one can see Modi and his team of minister's determination in everything he does and a few unrealistic criticisms by communal and Fascist forces that want to destabiise him and the nation does not really matter as long as the majority is with him and BJP!

That's the cost of the popularity and success. I have the least doubt about who is behind the maligning Mission. But Modi is very sure of his objectives. He does the same thing as what an elephant does,when stray dogs bark.. Modi is a Man on his Mission. No force can destablise  his Government.

I am amused when some  persons yell at the top of their voice that RSS is fascist. It brings a smile to my face as to whether these people have ever read Giorgio Almirante and others, as to what is fascism. I can't start a discussion here. All I will say is go to Italy, the home of the Fascist movement right from Roman times and learn what fascism is. It involves mass killings. Do they accuse RSS of that ?All said and done , for all his faults Modi is ten times better than the Nehru -Gandhi combine that ruined India. I have written a post on this and as and when it is published in case people get the time they can read it. Jai Hind.

Fascism may take various names and shapes in different countries. This may be known as fascism in Italy, Nazism in Germany and Hindutva/ Hindu Rashtra in India. The essence is supposed superiority of certain community or race, hatred towards others and intent to destroy all opposition and dissent.  No doubt, Hindutva RSS brand or Hindu Rashtra concept is shape of fascism in India. 

There is no point in either arguing  or convincing those who don't seem to know the meaning of Fascism but insist on using it left, right and center simply to have their say..

Some interesting facts here that I am quoting ...

I always wanted to ask that where these self-proclaimed intellectuals were:

1. When the illegal Bangladeshis migrants were driving the indigenous Hindu Bodos out of their homeland during the Kokrajhar riots in 2012? Even though the riots begin with killing of two Muslim student leaders, the major cause of the  riots was evident from the era of 1971 where the continuous migration of Bangladeshis were reducing the demographics of Assamese into minority.
2. When the Islamic militants started the campaign of ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits during the insurgency of 1989 in J&K?
3. The natural crisis in various places like Orissa (1971),Andhra Pradesh (1977),Gujrat (2001) and recently in Uttarakhand (2013). One has never noticed the contribution of leftist intellectuals in providing relief or funds for the rehabilitation of victims of natural calamity.
4. When our democracy which gives these so called secularists the freedom to speech and expression was under grave danger and India was almost become a tin-pot dictatorship owing to the activities of Indira Gandhi under the Emergency(1975-1977) in order to protect her Prime Minister-ship from disqualification. RSS was the organization who fought for the maintenance of those principles on which our constitution and democratic structure was made while the main proponents of Secularism like TOI, The Hindu,etc were silent regarding the brutal demolition of slums of poor Muslim dwellers in the Jama Masjid and Turkman Gate area during the height of Emergency.
5. When the lives of innocent Sikhs were at risk from the murderous Congress goons and the indifferent police in Delhi and other places in India in 1984?

RSS was in the forefront in providing all kinds of relief to the people in many crisis without caring for any prize or monetary gains . For its yeoman services, it only received bans from the Congress regimes and the whole organization was persecuted and branded as anti-national on account of some dreaded acts performed by radical individuals who had no close relation with RSS.

first of all i think the agency should start reading the person mind who is trying to join ISI. and whereas about my thinking i think Indian muslims join ISI because they are encourage by the name of ZIHAD which means freedom.

Your self proclaimed intellectuals were very much in the India were pseudo nationalists and pseudo secularists are also present. RSS as a voluntary organosation is good but if it wants to backseat drive BJP that is not acceptable. Let them come in open and fight elections and come to power, no problems, that way they will be accountable to the voters.  Today they are not and that is the issue. They can preach there brand of Hindutava as RSS but not via BJP. That is not healthy.

vijay wrote:

Your self proclaimed intellectuals were very much in the India were pseudo nationalists and pseudo secularists are also present. RSS as a voluntary organosation is good but if it wants to backseat drive BJP that is not acceptable. Let them come in open and fight elections and come to power, no problems, that way they will be accountable to the voters.  Today they are not and that is the issue. They can preach there brand of Hindutava as RSS but not via BJP. That is not healthy.

There is no way BJP can be independent. Let us see how and why BJP was formed. The RSS political outfit used to be Bhartiya Jan Sangh. At call of Jai Prakash Narain, Jan sangh merged with Janata Party for fighting Indira led congress. But the former Jan sangh members continued affiliation with RSS as well. The former Jan sangh faction was asked by other factions to sever all links with RSS as a condition to continue in Janata Party. Then the ex Jan Sangh/ RSS members came out of Janata Party and formed Bhartiya Janata Party.

Despite giving retort to the charge of RSS/BJP being fascist, no member nhas been able to tell how the saffron outfit is not fascist. They blame only others as pseudo secular and what not. But they do not deny that RSS/BJP are hard core Hindutva party, proclaim Hindu Rashtra, hate minorities and those with contrary opinion. This suffices to prove the fascist nature of the saffron outfit. It is interesting to see that they malign others as communal, pseudo secular and what not without rhyme and reason. Some of the also call themselves rationalist. so funny indeed. 

Some people want to show they know it all simply because their party and its sycophant leaders demand them to do so...So their party leaders shout at the top of their voice and calls some patriotic and social organisations Fascist and the blind followers  go right ahead and do the same ...So who cares ? The problem is their inability to take a peek at the past and the deeds of their own leaders and their Fascist tendencies which have divided the country. The day they and their kind understand this , our nation will be a better place !

@ Usha I must compliment you for writing a wonderful neutral post. Changing a couple of words and it is applicable to anyone including yourself. Wow.

The only difference is there is not much of a past for the party I support so there ends the so called neutrality...it is definitely only for those part of that corrupt , fascist system !

Corrupt, fascist, communal, anti national, selfish, incompetent leaders, wonder how we remained united and reached to be the second largest economy on PPP basis in the world. 

The real growth story of India started only after Narasimha Rao and in the past 2 or 3 decades after BJP became a party to reckon with and I am sure they have been very critical and a good opposition unlike what is happening now. So it was possible for India to grow inspite of the communal issues and corrupt practices which of course had to erupt at some stage like it did during UPA 2 .. 

vijay wrote:

That in reality not even a dozen people have been caught joining ISIS is not comforting but imaginary fears based on biases is being made a big issue. What is the solution.Come with that .All the time targeting a section of Indian citizens with imaginary fesrs is discriminating in nature. Now do not start all over again.

Almost every day a young student or two are caught by the Security personnel in Hyderabad. These incidents are not imaginary fears

So they are being taken care of. Security persons are tackling the issue. Also so far excepting a couple of persons there are no reports of Indian citizens fighting for ISIS. All Muslims of the world are not one in their missions.

usha manohar wrote:

The real growth story of India started only after Narasimha Rao and in the past 2 or 3 decades after BJP became a party to reckon with and I am sure they have been very critical and a good opposition unlike what is happening now. So it was possible for India to grow inspite of the communal issues and corrupt practices which of course had to erupt at some stage like it did during UPA 2 .. 

Hats off to you for defending BJP even when it was in opposition. Only committed can think like you. It is now clear that GST Bill delaying tactics  was a well thought out strategy by BJP when they were in opposition. Great.

First of all the GDT bill proposed by NDA is different in many respects, so they had to oppose it under UPA...I have also read an article o Economic times where it was mentioned that the GST as drafted by NDA was far better than it was before, will upload the link when I find it..

I have never said that BJP is perfect nor am I rigid in my stand, but as far as things stand they are the best and probably the only choice we have while compared to the other led by the family of errors ! If you have some other theory please go ahead and share it, am always willing to give it a thought !

vijay wrote:

So they are being taken care of. Security persons are tackling the issue. Also so far excepting a couple of persons there are no reports of Indian citizens fighting for ISIS. All Muslims of the world are not one in their missions.

Of course all Muslims are not supporters of ISIS. I know a case in Hyderabad. The son, a University student was caught while trying to fly away to Syria by the Security, But the poor parents were not aware of their son's deeds and the annoyed parents said, they do not have sympathy on their son and he should punished by the law.

usha manohar wrote:

anil wrote:

rambabu wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

@ M G Singh - The communal mess that is our country today , it would not be easy for RSS or Modi to put things right straight away. They will have to do it step by step , first to untangle the mess and then only one can get down to business.Of course there is a section that is watching like a hawk trying its level best to bring down the morale of the present government ..

These hawks can be ignored.. We know their mission is defaming a great leader.

No doubt we are ignoring these hawks but it is not enough. Indeed Modi and BJP government is pinching in the eyes of some person like thron. Even some leaders of BJP is also pulling leg of Modi.

 

 

That is bound to be there especially from turn coats who will be instigated by their former party members.. But one can see Modi and his team of minister's determination in everything he does and a few unrealistic criticisms by communal and Fascist forces that want to destabiise him and the nation does not really matter as long as the majority is with him and BJP!

Yes some forces wants that Modi encumber is base less dialouge, they also wants to divert his attention in worthless debates. But they don't know that Modi is silent killer. He is doing his work and after some his work speak itself.

anil wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

anil wrote:

rambabu wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

@ M G Singh - The communal mess that is our country today , it would not be easy for RSS or Modi to put things right straight away. They will have to do it step by step , first to untangle the mess and then only one can get down to business.Of course there is a section that is watching like a hawk trying its level best to bring down the morale of the present government ..

These hawks can be ignored.. We know their mission is defaming a great leader.

No doubt we are ignoring these hawks but it is not enough. Indeed Modi and BJP government is pinching in the eyes of some person like thron. Even some leaders of BJP is also pulling leg of Modi.

 

 

That is bound to be there especially from turn coats who will be instigated by their former party members.. But one can see Modi and his team of minister's determination in everything he does and a few unrealistic criticisms by communal and Fascist forces that want to destabiise him and the nation does not really matter as long as the majority is with him and BJP!

Yes some forces wants that Modi encumber is base less dialouge, they also wants to divert his attention in worthless debates. But they don't know that Modi is silent killer. He is doing his work and after some his work speak itself.

 

Very true. It's not uncommon to see dissidence in the same party. But Modi tackles such dissidence very cleverly by maintaining silence. This silence of this Modi is mistaken as his weakness by his distractors. But Modi's silence as you said aptly saying Modi is a silent killer. The consequences of his silence will show up as determined and fruitful results that does good to the Nation. His vision is very difficult to understand. Modi, in the long run will emerge as the CHAMPION.