what is secularism?

Well, to be truthful, I am only astounded to read , of course we knew it all the time, but to read it in black & white, makes us more aware that India is a paradise more so for Muslims with all kinds of subsidies, flexible laws, leanings towards them etc. and still our pseudo intelligent, non-thinking progressive sickularists call our country a secularist nation. Declare India a Muslim country and then all would be happy, including the secularist nincompoops who are labeling devout Hindus as fascists!

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

Well, to be truthful, I am only astounded to read , of course we knew it all the time, but to read it in black & white, makes us more aware that India is a paradise more so for Muslims with all kinds of subsidies, flexible laws, leanings towards them etc. and still our pseudo intelligent, non-thinking progressive sickularists call our country a secularist nation. Declare India a Muslim country and then all would be happy, including the secularist nincompoops who are labeling devout Hindus as fascists!

I'm in total agreement with your view. Muslims in India are really enjoying all the subsidies, which they don't deserve. Those who label Hindus as Fascists are the real pseudo secularists. This has to be condemned by all Hindustanis.

rambabu wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

Well, to be truthful, I am only astounded to read , of course we knew it all the time, but to read it in black & white, makes us more aware that India is a paradise more so for Muslims with all kinds of subsidies, flexible laws, leanings towards them etc. and still our pseudo intelligent, non-thinking progressive sickularists call our country a secularist nation. Declare India a Muslim country and then all would be happy, including the secularist nincompoops who are labeling devout Hindus as fascists!

I'm in total agreement with your view. Muslims in India are really enjoying all the subsidies, which they don't deserve. Those who label Hindus as Fascists are the real pseudo secularists. This has to be condemned by all Hindustanis.

I too agree with you all, I mean this is hindustan not muslimstan. if the government will not help hindu much more than muslim then who will help us pakistan. 

 

Of course this is a known fact because the so called secular laws are for Hindus only ! They have to practice family planning and abide by all laws laid down by the constitution whereas both Muslims and Christians can have their own laws with regard to marriage, divorce and property ! And on top of that the majority community is discouraged from not discussing about these special rules made for them...Our nation is communal not secular !

Anybody may write his views whatsoever these be. But please do not misrepresent others. Nobody says that Hindus are fascists. Fascism is nothing but to attack other religions or those who you don't agree with. Presently, the so called Hindutva elements (not Hindus as such) are targeting minorities, lower caste Hindus and political opponents- dubbing all opposition as anti national. In fact, it is subversion of the principle of unity in diversity that characterizes fascism.  Nobody ever told that Hindus are fascists. 

People who champion Madrasa and personal laws for Muslims  do this without batting an eyelid. These so called intellectuls don't want to look at Turkey where in 1924 all Muslim schools were banned as well as tradiational Muslim dress. The Turks even adopted western dress  like skirt. I went once to Istanbul and could not distinguish it from a Western city. Even in Goa there is ONE civil code. Why cant it be done in rest of India ? To say that people who ask for a uniform code and one law are fascists and dividing the nation  makes me sorry for them. Targetting BJP and RSS is their favorite passtime

usha manohar wrote:

Of course this is a known fact because the so called secular laws are for Hindus only ! They have to practice family planning and abide by all laws laid down by the constitution whereas both Muslims and Christians can have their own laws with regard to marriage, divorce and property ! And on top of that the majority community is discouraged from not discussing about these special rules made for them...Our nation is communal not secular !

 

There are some laws in Christian religion. But the religion never compel people to obey there rules. People have complete freedom to reject a particular law if they can't follow. But in Muslim religion, they ought to obey the laws of Islamic. 

Jincy Aby wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

Of course this is a known fact because the so called secular laws are for Hindus only ! They have to practice family planning and abide by all laws laid down by the constitution whereas both Muslims and Christians can have their own laws with regard to marriage, divorce and property ! And on top of that the majority community is discouraged from not discussing about these special rules made for them...Our nation is communal not secular !

 

There are some laws in Christian religion. But the religion never compel people to obey their rules. People have complete freedom to reject a particular law if they can't follow. But in Muslim religion, they ought to obey the laws of Islamic. 

 

The Muslim obsession of some forum members is robbing the forum of diversity of views. These would like their way of thinking to be the way of all Hindus and thus who so ever said they were behaving as fascists. It is nearly  three years since their type of government is in Delhi, why are they not changing the laws to withdraw the so called fantastic concessions given to Muslims and remove the grave injustice to other citizens. Why such issues crop up only at election time and then go into hibernation. 

India is a secular country and give equal freedom to all religion. That is the reason why people of different religion are living here very happily. Most of the people in our country is Hindus. For giving consideration to other religion who are very few in number,  our government recognize the demand of these minorities. People in all religion are living very happily in India.  

Jincy Aby wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

Of course this is a known fact because the so called secular laws are for Hindus only ! They have to practice family planning and abide by all laws laid down by the constitution whereas both Muslims and Christians can have their own laws with regard to marriage, divorce and property ! And on top of that the majority community is discouraged from not discussing about these special rules made for them...Our nation is communal not secular !

 

There are some laws in Christian religion. But the religion never compel people to obey there rules. People have complete freedom to reject a particular law if they can't follow. But in Muslim religion, they ought to obey the laws of Islamic. 

 

No country pampers minorities like our country does and this is bad all round because it breeds discontent among the majority community and minorities take things for granted , even manipulate the system as and when they can...If we see countries like Germany and France where they have a large number of Muslims , Hindus, Sikhs and others , the law remains the same for all...They have to follow one uniform law, no head gear, no burkha ...Muslims are not unhappy there because they are treated at par with others but they also cannot manipulate the system.Any unrest has come now because of the generosity of these nations, who have given assylum to a large number of Arabs , among whom there were traitors who showed their true colors by biting the hand that fed them..Otherwise , with a uniform law people remain much more happier and there will be no reason for complaint! I sincerely wish Modi gets to rule for at least 10 years because that is the time he requires to set this nation straight and bring in some much needed changes..change some moth eaten laws to begin with !

MG Singh wrote:

People who champion Madrasa and personal laws for Muslims  do this without batting an eyelid. These so called intellectuls don't want to look at Turkey where in 1924 all Muslim schools were banned as well as tradiational Muslim dress. The Turks even adopted western dress  like skirt. I went once to Istanbul and could not distinguish it from a Western city. Even in Goa there is ONE civil code. Why cant it be done in rest of India ? To say that people who ask for a uniform code and one law are fascists and dividing the nation  makes me sorry for them. Targetting BJP and RSS is their favorite passtime.

I support same education for all under a common syllabus without any religion based education. Religious education if any could be a balanced one covering all religions and aiming at development as good future citizens. But you can't single out Madarasa. Then you have to abolish all religion based schools- Hindu, Muslim, Sikh etc, including saraswati schools of RSS.  

usha manohar wrote:

Jincy Aby wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

Of course this is a known fact because the so called secular laws are for Hindus only ! They have to practice family planning and abide by all laws laid down by the constitution whereas both Muslims and Christians can have their own laws with regard to marriage, divorce and property ! And on top of that the majority community is discouraged from not discussing about these special rules made for them...Our nation is communal not secular !

 

There are some laws in Christian religion. But the religion never compel people to obey there rules. People have complete freedom to reject a particular law if they can't follow. But in Muslim religion, they ought to obey the laws of Islamic. 

 

No country pampers minorities like our country does and this is bad all round because it breeds discontent among the majority community and minorities take things for granted , even manipulate the system as and when they can...If we see countries like Germany and France where they have a large number of Muslims , Hindus, Sikhs and others , the law remains the same for all...They have to follow one uniform law, no head gear, no burkha ...Muslims are not unhappy there because they are treated at par with others but they also cannot manipulate the system.Any unrest has come now because of the generosity of these nations, who have given assylum to a large number of Arabs , among whom there were traitors who showed their true colors by biting the hand that fed them..Otherwise , with a uniform law people remain much more happier and there will be no reason for complaint! I sincerely wish Modi gets to rule for at least 10 years because that is the time he requires to set this nation straight and bring in some much needed changes..change some moth eaten laws to begin with !

 

Pampering the minority community was started by the earlier Governments to build and strengthen Vote Banks. Yes, there are a plethora of moth eaten laws which need to be thrown in the Bay of Bengal. I'm sure Modi is capable of setting the nation straight. What all he needs is time.

rambabu wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

Jincy Aby wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

Of course this is a known fact because the so called secular laws are for Hindus only ! They have to practice family planning and abide by all laws laid down by the constitution whereas both Muslims and Christians can have their own laws with regard to marriage, divorce and property ! And on top of that the majority community is discouraged from not discussing about these special rules made for them...Our nation is communal not secular !

 

There are some laws in Christian religion. But the religion never compel people to obey there rules. People have complete freedom to reject a particular law if they can't follow. But in Muslim religion, they ought to obey the laws of Islamic. 

 

No country pampers minorities like our country does and this is bad all round because it breeds discontent among the majority community and minorities take things for granted , even manipulate the system as and when they can...If we see countries like Germany and France where they have a large number of Muslims , Hindus, Sikhs and others , the law remains the same for all...They have to follow one uniform law, no head gear, no burkha ...Muslims are not unhappy there because they are treated at par with others but they also cannot manipulate the system.Any unrest has come now because of the generosity of these nations, who have given assylum to a large number of Arabs , among whom there were traitors who showed their true colors by biting the hand that fed them..Otherwise , with a uniform law people remain much more happier and there will be no reason for complaint! I sincerely wish Modi gets to rule for at least 10 years because that is the time he requires to set this nation straight and bring in some much needed changes..change some moth eaten laws to begin with !

 

Pampering the minority community was started by the earlier Governments to build and strengthen Vote Banks. Yes, there are a plethora of moth eaten laws which need to be thrown in the Bay of Bengal. I'm sure Modi is capable of setting the nation straight. What all he needs is time.

as you said sir it can be right but i think that the government have a soft heart in matters of minority because they know that if the minority will become strong then it will be good for the economic of the country. 

 

Babu saroj wrote:

rambabu wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

Jincy Aby wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

Of course this is a known fact because the so called secular laws are for Hindus only ! They have to practice family planning and abide by all laws laid down by the constitution whereas both Muslims and Christians can have their own laws with regard to marriage, divorce and property ! And on top of that the majority community is discouraged from not discussing about these special rules made for them...Our nation is communal not secular !

 

There are some laws in Christian religion. But the religion never compel people to obey there rules. People have complete freedom to reject a particular law if they can't follow. But in Muslim religion, they ought to obey the laws of Islamic. 

 

No country pampers minorities like our country does and this is bad all round because it breeds discontent among the majority community and minorities take things for granted , even manipulate the system as and when they can...If we see countries like Germany and France where they have a large number of Muslims , Hindus, Sikhs and others , the law remains the same for all...They have to follow one uniform law, no head gear, no burkha ...Muslims are not unhappy there because they are treated at par with others but they also cannot manipulate the system.Any unrest has come now because of the generosity of these nations, who have given assylum to a large number of Arabs , among whom there were traitors who showed their true colors by biting the hand that fed them..Otherwise , with a uniform law people remain much more happier and there will be no reason for complaint! I sincerely wish Modi gets to rule for at least 10 years because that is the time he requires to set this nation straight and bring in some much needed changes..change some moth eaten laws to begin with !

 

Pampering the minority community was started by the earlier Governments to build and strengthen Vote Banks. Yes, there are a plethora of moth eaten laws which need to be thrown in the Bay of Bengal. I'm sure Modi is capable of setting the nation straight. What all he needs is time.

as you said sir it can be right but i think that the government have a soft heart in matters of minority because they know that if the minority will become strong then it will be good for the economic of the country. 

 

Why soft corner to the minorities ? Please explain  how the economic condition of the country will be good if minorities become strong. Rather if minorities are made strong, they will rule us.

 

 

i am in complete agreement that the coming to power of Modi is a godsend. but he must act fast for as we say time and tide wait for none. He must go by his conviction and enforce the Directive Principles of constitution. If KEMEL Mustapha could do it in a Muslim country, why not India.

i am in complete agreement that the coming to power of Modi is a godsend. but he must act fast for as we say time and tide wait for none. He must go by his conviction and enforce the Directive Principles of constitution. If KEMEL Mustapha could do it in a Muslim country, why not India.

MG Singh wrote:

i am in complete agreement that the coming to power of Modi is a godsend. but he must act fast for as we say time and tide wait for none. He must go by his conviction and enforce the Directive Principles of constitution. If KEMEL Mustapha could do it in a Muslim country, why not India.

 

Undoubtedly, Modi is the best thing that happened to this country. And I don't have any doubt  about his conviction. Modi should be given time. This country after the misrule by the Congress for two decades, he's repairing the country's damage done by Congress one by one. " Achche Din " are not far away.

In India follower of all religions other than Hindu are secular.

The word Secular has been given different meanings by different political parties to suit their own ambitions/aspiration/greed for power etc etc...So, in the Indian context it actually means nothing much except a word that is used by those who do not know what secularism means ..