Reservations on Caste

anil wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

anil wrote:

Jincy Aby wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

Jincy Aby wrote:

The education and job should be on the basis of merit and not on the basis of caste. Otherwise, talented and capable people cannot reach in deserved positions. Government should take action to stop such unnecessary practices from this society. 

Government will not do anything and as a matter of fact they have perpetuated caste reservation for ever. How government will do anything. Our so called reformers like Gandhi and Vivekanada also backed the caste system. So the only hope is a revolution

 Like 'green revolution' and 'red revolution, we need to start a 'merit revolution' to stop the reservation system of the government for the scheduled castes. Otherwise, our country won't have any development. India needs people for growth and development. Can we progress, if the government recruit undeserved candidate from the scheduled cast for a particular position?

What you think merit revolution is possible in our country. Here PG and Ph.d are applying for office assistant jobs.

 

 

Goes to show how useless our degrees have become...get a seat through reservation and scraping through a degree does not make for quality, I guess such PHDs and PGs are fit for the jobs they are applying for !

No doubt that value of degree decline in these days, but all degrees are not alike. It is not possible for all students to secure 90% in exams. Average students are not getting job because of reservation. More than 50% seats are reserved but any candidate from reserve class secure marks equal to general catigory than he/she is selected in general catageory, mean less seats available for general class candidates.

 Degree and the overall value of education lost value long ago. These are the times, when every degree can be purchased for a price. On the top of all RESERVATIONS. Now one can imagine, where and Why the Merit has gone and disappeared in to oblivion.

 

In a way, the poor economic conditions and reservations are a spin off because of the massive population and lack of resources. I wonder if anybody as thought how population is negating the benefits of economic progress and poverty is rampant, with paucity of jobs. So every body wants reservation.  Bring the population under control and everything will be better. In that respect Sanjay Gandhi was a visionary

I agree. Malthusian Theory of Population says, when the Demand is more and Supply is less, upsets are bound to happen. Presently, this condition is prevailing in India. Population control is the need of the hour. In this respect, I must admit, Sanjay Gandhi is right. But his approach was wrong.

rambabu wrote:

I agree. Malthusian Theory of Population says, when the Demand is more and Supply is less, upsets are bound to happen. Presently, this condition is prevailing in India. Population control is the need of the hour. In this respect, I must admit, Sanjay Gandhi is right. But his approach was wrong.

Good point brought out. I wonder why people cannot  implement Sanjay's policy in a more humane way. Controlling population is need of hour.

 

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

I agree. Malthusian Theory of Population says, when the Demand is more and Supply is less, upsets are bound to happen. Presently, this condition is prevailing in India. Population control is the need of the hour. In this respect, I must admit, Sanjay Gandhi is right. But his approach was wrong.

Good point brought out. I wonder why people cannot  implement Sanjay's policy in a more humane way. Controlling population is need of hour.

People should realize the  gravity of the situation.They should be educated, how limited families  help them and the country. Though , in Urban and rural regions, now a days people are adopting Family planning methods, still the country is unable to reduce the gap between demand and supply as far as the resources of the country are concerned. Much has to be done in this regard both by the people and the Government..Only then the country becomes Self sufficient.

If everybody gets food to eat and shelter to live , the necessity of Reservations will not arise.

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

I agree. Malthusian Theory of Population says, when the Demand is more and Supply is less, upsets are bound to happen. Presently, this condition is prevailing in India. Population control is the need of the hour. In this respect, I must admit, Sanjay Gandhi is right. But his approach was wrong.

Good point brought out. I wonder why people cannot  implement Sanjay's policy in a more humane way. Controlling population is need of hour.

 Malthus theory also said to nature is capable in controlling population.

 

anil wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

I agree. Malthusian Theory of Population says, when the Demand is more and Supply is less, upsets are bound to happen. Presently, this condition is prevailing in India. Population control is the need of the hour. In this respect, I must admit, Sanjay Gandhi is right. But his approach was wrong.

Good point brought out. I wonder why people cannot  implement Sanjay's policy in a more humane way. Controlling population is need of hour.

 Malthus theory also said to nature is capable in controlling population.

 

Yes, through Natural calamities, famines, nature controls population.

 

 

Malthus theory is a faulty theory as it did not take into account the inventive nature of humans to come out with technologies and products to ensure survival of increasing populations. Today natural calamities like cyclone, floods are predictable and human lives are saved before they occur. Please do not propound a discarded theory.

Could Hudhud or Earth quakes be predicted ? Malthusian theory relevant for all times.

rambabu wrote:

Could Hudhud or Earth quakes be predicted ? Malthusian theory relevant for all times.

Yes I am agree with you, it nature and any development in technique can't stop it.

 

anil wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Could Hudhud or Earth quakes be predicted ? Malthusian theory relevant for all times.

Yes I am agree with you, it nature and any development in technique can't stop it.

 

Man's achievements are just a spec before the Power of Nature. Even  two days ago, in my state AP, there were earth tremors

 

 

What has earthquakes got to do with Malthusian theory which has been proven wrong by increase in world population many times over in spite of natural calamities,since he predicted it in late 18th century. Please be flexible and revise your opinion when facts are presented. 

 I think we are digressing from the topic, which is reservation. There is no doubt that as there are less jobs  going around, the need for reservation is more. It is like getting economic security. India is the ONLY country in world to have reservations based on caste. This bugbear will never go away, come what may. So I guess people have to live with it.

Reservation is a tool to help the socially disadvantaged to obtain their rights to jobs and economic security which otherwise would be very difficult for them to get in a caste conscious country like ours. If implementation is flawed then it should be corrected. Repeat benefits should be denied. Our society is still not a just society so the weak need protection. Do not be so critical of social justice measures. 

vijay wrote:

What has earthquakes got to do with Malthusian theory which has been proven wrong by increase in world population many times over in spite of natural calamities,since he predicted it in late 18th century. Please be flexible and revise your opinion when facts are presented. 

 

Please take the trouble of referring the back pages of this discussion. You said Natural calamities can be predicted and destruction of lives can be prevented, Then I responded that despite technological advances , natural calamities cannot be predicted. Population destruction is imminent This is how Nature controls the population. And this is what the  Malthusian theory of population says, " Nature has the control over population growth."

And in this context, I cited the examples of HUDHUD ,Earth quakes and other such Natural calamities.

If Malthusian theory has been proved wrong, I request you to provide a proof and enlighten me.

rambabu wrote:

vijay wrote:

What has earthquakes got to do with Malthusian theory which has been proven wrong by increase in world population many times over in spite of natural calamities,since he predicted it in late 18th century. Please be flexible and revise your opinion when facts are presented. 

 

Please take the trouble of referring the back pages of this discussion. You said Natural calamities can be predicted and destruction of lives can be prevented, Then I responded that despite technological advances , natural calamities cannot be predicted. Population destruction is imminent This is how Nature controls the population. And this is what the  Malthusian theory of population says, " Nature has the control over population growth."

And in this context, I cited the examples of HUDHUD ,Earth quakes and other such Natural calamities.

If Malthusian theory has been proved wrong, I request you to provide a proof and enlighten me.

 

Good points raised. Yes, nature always balances population by natural selection.

 

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

vijay wrote:

What has earthquakes got to do with Malthusian theory which has been proven wrong by increase in world population many times over in spite of natural calamities,since he predicted it in late 18th century. Please be flexible and revise your opinion when facts are presented. 

 

Please take the trouble of referring the back pages of this discussion. You said Natural calamities can be predicted and destruction of lives can be prevented, Then I responded that despite technological advances , natural calamities cannot be predicted. Population destruction is imminent This is how Nature controls the population. And this is what the  Malthusian theory of population says, " Nature has the control over population growth."

And in this context, I cited the examples of HUDHUD ,Earth quakes and other such Natural calamities.

If Malthusian theory has been proved wrong, I request you to provide a proof and enlighten me.

 

Good points raised. Yes, nature always balances population by natural selection.

 

I was a victim of Hudhud. I have seen how these natural calamities wiped off the entire development that took decades in a split second. And the entire world has seen Nepal Earth quake. And the latest earth quake in Indonesia.

 

 

Malthusian theory predicted that due to natural calamities and pressure on food supplies and other disasters mankind would be wiped out (literally). He was talking  on cumulative effects and not on stand alone incidents. 

The fact that mankind is existing today and in much larger numbers than when the theory was predicted is in itself roof that it was a flawed theory. Flawed because it did not factor in the ability of mankind to develop technologies to overcome threats to its survival. Today vast number of diseases have been conquered, medicines are available, food grain yields have gone up considerably, shelters are sturdy (earthquakes do not kill or destroy as they did earlier in Japan), rivers have been tamed, storms are predictable and so on. So the net effect is that mankind is surviving and expanding. Malthusian theory did not take into account creativity of humans to fight for its survival. Hope it is proof enough. But knowing you you will discard it and stick to your stand taken in your first post. Even you are proving Malthusian theory wrong!!.

rambabu wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

vijay wrote:

What has earthquakes got to do with Malthusian theory which has been proven wrong by increase in world population many times over in spite of natural calamities,since he predicted it in late 18th century. Please be flexible and revise your opinion when facts are presented. 

 

Please take the trouble of referring the back pages of this discussion. You said Natural calamities can be predicted and destruction of lives can be prevented, Then I responded that despite technological advances , natural calamities cannot be predicted. Population destruction is imminent This is how Nature controls the population. And this is what the  Malthusian theory of population says, " Nature has the control over population growth."

And in this context, I cited the examples of HUDHUD ,Earth quakes and other such Natural calamities.

If Malthusian theory has been proved wrong, I request you to provide a proof and enlighten me.

 

Good points raised. Yes, nature always balances population by natural selection.

 

I was a victim of Hudhud. I have seen how these natural calamities wiped off the entire development that took decades in a split second. And the entire world has seen Nepal Earth quake. And the latest earth quake in Indonesia.

You forgot flood of Uttra Khand, that was cost of development. Government control flow of Ganga river with Tehri dam but Ganga destroyed all thing what she want.

 

 

 

What happened in Uttarakand was a man made disaster which could have been easily avoided if the greedy politicians had the sense to listen to the experts who had cautioned them against building on the banks and close to it because the river is bound to flood when there is heavy rain or snow burst !