Is this women empowerment?

usha manohar wrote:

anil wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

anil wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

Jincy Aby wrote:

Superiority complex is always with men. They know very well that women are physically very weak. This is the main reason why women are considered as inferior human being. Even if women are physically weak, number of smart and powerful women are around us. They are capable to reach in higher authority. Some of them are arsing their hands against all kinds of exploitation. We can expect a better tomorrow.

Nature has made us different and with the intention that man and woman complement each other ! But at some stage man began to think that he is far superior to women and women put up with this because there was no education and enlightenment to make them realise that they were being manipulated because of their physical weakness ! Nowadays we see many ladies , well built and giving more importance to muscle building and take care of their fitness , which has helped ! 

Delhi high court decided in one case that a woman can be principal (Karta) of a HUF. I think it is step to give more right to women.

 

It is a step in the right direction although here in Mangalore we have a unique system practiced by a few communities where he property gets transferred to ladies, it is called Aliya Kattu. A lady gets her share and daughters share and and so on, but the boys get just one share ...For example, if the property is ancestral and there are many contenders , then the proceeds are divided this way - if a woman has 2 children with one daughter and the daughter having two children  and the son having two children as well. The lady gets her own share, one share for the daughter and 2 shares for the grand children through the daughter and one share only for the son , in total she gets 5 shares, whereas her brothers gets only one share . 

So, we already have this freedom , in fact more than equal freedom ! LOL..

It is real justice. Is this tradition is only in Manglore? not in whole Karnatka.

 

Yes it is only in Mangalore and within a few communities only ! Courts are very careful when such issues crop up because some false cases are filed by ladies to get maximum benefit !

Misusing of any law and tradition is very common, but we can't quite these Nobel tradition. If I am not wrong, in India daughters have equal right of in property of father.

 

MG Singh wrote:

One fact that cannot be brushed under the carpet is that women in the sub-continent are not given equal status. Both Islam and hinduism have failed to evolve like the Christian faith in the west.  A lot of this is due to obscurantist religious  leaders who are held in awe  here. I dont think this will change for another 100 years

this shows how much education is lacking in them. Mainly the uneducated people thinks that but i we got shocked when we come to see the thinking of today's educated people, yeah some of the educated are there in India who also thinks that women are minor and they are superior from them and some of them are who don't think women as human 

 

MG Singh wrote:

One fact that cannot be brushed under the carpet is that women in the sub-continent are not given equal status. Both Islam and hinduism have failed to evolve like the Christian faith in the west.  A lot of this is due to obscurantist religious  leaders who are held in awe  here. I dont think this will change for another 100 years

 

Do you think all sects and segments in Christianity  have given women equal status along with men ? What about Roman Catholics and orthodox Churches that  did not allow women to become Priests ?

 

Babu saroj wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

One fact that cannot be brushed under the carpet is that women in the sub-continent are not given equal status. Both Islam and hinduism have failed to evolve like the Christian faith in the west.  A lot of this is due to obscurantist religious  leaders who are held in awe  here. I dont think this will change for another 100 years

this shows how much education is lacking in them. Mainly the uneducated people thinks that but i we got shocked when we come to see the thinking of today's educated people, yeah some of the educated are there in India who also thinks that women are minor and they are superior from them and some of them are who don't think women as human 

 

Very true, it is the mindset that matters not education in itself ! Dowry is demanded more by the highly educated grooms , so what use is such education which does not enlighten the mind of the person?

It is true, in this man dominated society women are treated as a decorative object in the drawing room.

 

Babu saroj wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

One fact that cannot be brushed under the carpet is that women in the sub-continent are not given equal status. Both Islam and hinduism have failed to evolve like the Christian faith in the west.  A lot of this is due to obscurantist religious  leaders who are held in awe  here. I dont think this will change for another 100 years

this shows how much education is lacking in them. Mainly the uneducated people thinks that but i we got shocked when we come to see the thinking of today's educated people, yeah some of the educated are there in India who also thinks that women are minor and they are superior from them and some of them are who don't think women as human 

 

A huge chunk of people are there who though highly educated and well placed professionally as well as in the society cannot give up greed of money. This reflects that they have academic qualification and certified position but they lack the moral education and inner enlightenment. That's the reason the society is suffering.

I do agree there must be equality in all feild but then why there is reseveration of seats in train,bus . why woman can go in gents compartment but men cant enter in ladies compartment, our law clean and clearly give give first preference to ladies then where is equality?

Ashish wrote:

I do agree there must be equality in all feild but then why there is reseveration of seats in train,bus . why woman can go in gents compartment but men cant enter in ladies compartment, our law clean and clearly give give first preference to ladies then where is equality?

Women are getting some consideration in trains, buses and some public places. This is to protect the ladies from unnecessary sexual exploitation.  Ladies are not safe in public places. Regarding their safety, the government have done seat reservation for ladies. Gents are not going to exploited by women, then why there is reservation of seats for men?  

The very fact that women need reservation in trains and buses shows the mindset of the society, that women are weak and need protection not superior and  pampered as some people seem to think ! 

The question of women empowerment and their right to enter any temple or mosque or church are interlinked with each other. But I want to comment on what the author in this link wants say and I agree with her.  The women in the Muslim community, with very few exceptions, are so downtrodden and exploited a lot, they are denied education, right to choose to their own partners, right to decide the no. of children they want etc. etc. the list is endless. Winning at those battles is far more important than having a right to enter inside a mosque.

I am sure there was a thread someone had posted earlier about a faction of women agitating to claim their rights to worship Lord Shani from the stone platform where women are banned to do so. What difference will it make if a woman is not allowed entry into temples or mosques or churches? Granted, it is not gender  equality, but prupose will it solve if they are allowed entry to such places. To a person who is truly of faith, he or she is content enough to offer prayers from the confines of her own home and will find God in other places too, not just in temples and mosques.

For an average Muslim woman, what she needs is her basic right to education, freedom of though, speech, deed and right to make her own career and be independent. Agitating for entry into mosques will no give her any of those, the people who are behind this provocation are the ones who want to take her focus away from the real issues.

 

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

The question of women empowerment and their right to enter any temple or mosque or church are interlinked with each other. But I want to comment on what the author in this link wants say and I agree with her.  The women in the Muslim community, with very few exceptions, are so downtrodden and exploited a lot, they are denied education, right to choose to their own partners, right to decide the no. of children they want etc. etc. the list is endless. Winning at those battles is far more important than having a right to enter inside a mosque.

I am sure there was a thread someone had posted earlier about a faction of women agitating to claim their rights to worship Lord Shani from the stone platform where women are banned to do so. What difference will it make if a woman is not allowed entry into temples or mosques or churches? Granted, it is not gender  equality, but prupose will it solve if they are allowed entry to such places. To a person who is truly of faith, he or she is content enough to offer prayers from the confines of her own home and will find God in other places too, not just in temples and mosques.

For an average Muslim woman, what she needs is her basic right to education, freedom of though, speech, deed and right to make her own career and be independent. Agitating for entry into mosques will no give her any of those, the people who are behind this provocation are the ones who want to take her focus away from the real issues.

Very well presented @Kalyani Nandurkar Yes, it seems awkward when there is a bar on women from entering some specific worship place just like that when in olden days people of some particular caste were not allowed to enter the temples, even they were not allowed to drink water from particular wells and ponds and so on. This is done only to express supremacy which is not acceptable. Agitation are bound to take place but with this a bigger purpose does not get solved. Right to live, education and many more are the fundamental rights of women. If those get curbed then life becomes useless and the point of women empowerment cannot even be dreamt of.

 

 

 

The situation of Muslim women are miserable in our country. Educated Muslim parents are always ready to give essential freedom to their daughters. But the number of educated people in Muslim community is very few. After giving basic education, they send their daughters to another families. The parents always give least importance to the feeling of their daughters. Some girls in Muslim community is very good in study and they wish to study more for getting job. But their parents are not ready to give higher education to them. For them, the duty of women are serving the family members. They are neither the opinion makers nor the decision makers within the family. They always involve in house-hold activities. For empowering Muslim women, proper education is must for them.

 

 

 

I want to stick to women empowerment and not discuss about empowerment of Muslim women only. In percentage their condition is certainly more vulnerable than the women of other communities but the point is why such demarcations are still present in this society even when we are in the 21st Century. The basic problem is with the sick mindset of the people for this I won't blame only the men but there are women who love to suppress the young ladies only because during their young days they were made to sacrifice their qualities and suffer. There are women who in the name of empowerment and achievement use various immoral tricks and there are many such men who willingly favour it. This is so ridiculous.Each one of us need to change our mindset, think positively, be unbiased irrespective of gender and be ethical. I think, such basic changes in our lives will help to empower every woman and resultantly it will upgrade our standard of living. 

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

I want to stick to women empowerment and not discuss about empowerment of Muslim women only. In percentage their condition is certainly more vulnerable than the women of other communities but the point is why such demarcations are still present in this society even when we are in 21st Century. The basic problem is with the sick mindset of the people for this I won't blame only the men but there are women who love to suppress the young ladies only because during their young days they were made to sacrifice their qualities and suffer. There are women who in the name of empowerment and achievement use various immoral tricks and there are many such men who willingly favour it. This is so ridiculous.Each one of us need to change our mindset, think positively, be unbiased irrespective of gender and be ethical. I think with such basic changes in our lives will empower every woman and resultantly it will upgrade our standard of living. 

The problem with our society is that the list of the priorities is all wrong and screwed up. The things that deserve attention and focus are at the bottom and the ones that are not so important top the list. Sadly, it is fueled by our political system which uses religion to its own advantage. Religion, caste, regionalism such as we South Indians, you North Indians, you this, you that rule the scenario. No one wants to come on the same level as the next one, roll up their sleeves and get down to work. Each one is left pursuing his or her own agenda, country comes no where in the scene. So in effect the weaker sections, including women from all communities are left behind.

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

I want to stick to women empowerment and not discuss about empowerment of Muslim women only. In percentage their condition is certainly more vulnerable than the women of other communities but the point is why such demarcations are still present in this society even when we are in 21st Century. The basic problem is with the sick mindset of the people for this I won't blame only the men but there are women who love to suppress the young ladies only because during their young days they were made to sacrifice their qualities and suffer. There are women who in the name of empowerment and achievement use various immoral tricks and there are many such men who willingly favour it. This is so ridiculous.Each one of us need to change our mindset, think positively, be unbiased irrespective of gender and be ethical. I think with such basic changes in our lives will empower every woman and resultantly it will upgrade our standard of living. 

The problem with our society is that the list of the priorities is all wrong and screwed up. The things that deserve attention and focus are at the bottom and the ones that are not so important top the list. Sadly, it is fueled by our political system which uses religion to its own advantage. Religion, caste, regionalism such as we South Indians, you North Indians, you this, you that rule the scenario. No one wants to come on the same level as the next one, roll up their sleeves and get down to work. Each one is left pursuing his or her own agenda, country comes no where in the scene. So in effect the weaker sections, including women from all communities are left behind.

Perfect! This will go on and on unless there is a drastic change in the thought process of our political leaders. Even every family has to have impartial treatment towards their children without any favouritism. About society I have no words to say because the treatment females of any age receive is pathetic. Sometimes one's own home proves to be unsafe for many unfortunate females. If this mentality persists then women empowerment is impossible.  

Social changes are inherently slow in pace. The important issue is is the system aware and are necessary laws being passed to ensure equality and empowerment of weaker sections of society. I would say yes. Where frustration comes is in their implementation. Charismatic leadership can hasten the process. But one should not get so frustrated as to wonder what is going to happen to country. Progress is being made and it is impacting all sections but not uniformly. Have faith and hope.