Padma Vibhushan for Dilip kumar

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

As a matter of fact, I personally feel that a person without any bias should discuss only on those aspects that point for which, he has been conferred an honor. This is strictly my own opinion.

 

I appreciate your viewpoint, but then I hope you are aware that Dhirubhai Ambani was not conferred the Bhart Ratna only because he had a shady past as a young man. So why should teh law be different for Dilip Kumar.?  We must rememeber that Nationalism  is above everything else and Dilip failed that test. he is lucky he was not prosecuted in 1965, due to Congress government. For hsi acting he earned money, but a national award, my word!!!. I cant imagine a US citizen getting an award for similar activities.

I agree. If Dhirubhai Ambani was denied Bharatratna because of his shady past, why OmPuri who was involved in domestic violence case was given Padmashri ?

 

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

As a matter of fact, I personally feel that a person without any bias should discuss only on those aspects that point for which, he has been conferred an honor. This is strictly my own opinion.

 

I appreciate your viewpoint, but then I hope you are aware that Dhirubhai Ambani was not conferred the Bhart Ratna only because he had a shady past as a young man. So why should teh law be different for Dilip Kumar.?  We must rememeber that Nationalism  is above everything else and Dilip failed that test. he is lucky he was not prosecuted in 1965, due to Congress government. For hsi acting he earned money, but a national award, my word!!!. I cant imagine a US citizen getting an award for similar activities.

 

I was not aware that Dhirubhai had a shady past and that he was denied the Bharat Ratna for that reason and even if that is so , I am sure it has nothing to do with personal life , probably some mal practice in business or some such thing ..Taken that into account Indians have been very generous with Dilip Kumar !

It takes hard work, dedication, character over a lifetime to earn an award like Padma Vibhushan. But some self styled know all  kill joys will always be around to malign such persons with their dissatisfied views. Dilip Kumar was conferred with Nishan e Pakistasn award by Pakistan in 1997, two years before Kargil. When later on the Shiv Sena objected, he consulted the then PM Vajpayeeji who advised him to retain the award. It is also very gracious of such persons that they have permitted a Muslim to be given this award. 

Very true.The advice of Bajpayijee, the then PM is really commendable. If you think about the reason behind Bajpayiji, it is clearly evident that the Thespian's personal things are not taken into account. Further, it also underlines the truth that DilipKumar's acting talents alone should be taken into consideration because the conferring of the coveted Award on DilipKumar is for his achievements in the Movies.Not for his Noble deeds.Om Puri, one of our talented actors has been given Padma Shri despite his involvement in a domestic violence. Of course later Om Puri denied the charges. But it is just expected.

No one is denying Dilip Kumar's talent but awarding a biggest civilian award to a citizen should not be based upon achievement only but many other criteria should be taken into consideration. I am not against his award but I opposed your viewpoint. A prisoner's punishment gets relaxed after his/her good behaviour so if Dilip Kumar realised his fault, repented and corrected himself as well as gave no other chance to complain against him then it is up to the government to consider him or not. He got considered and received award then it's fine. Mistake can be corrected but if you say that a person should be judged on the basis of achievement and not on integrity for such prestigious awards then I completely beg to differ.         

The entire movie industry hailed the news of conferring the Padma Vibhushan honor on Dilip Kumar.

http://www.cheertimes.in/2015/06/07/dilip-kumar-deserves-a-bharat-ratna/

You can oppose my view point. You are entitled for one. Forums are for expressing views. Nothing more or Nothing less.

@ Shampa..

Dilip Kumar had to face a lot of protests from within the Industry and from people outside, the only consolation was that media was not at all as dominant then, so the exposure was much less. had it been now, he would have faced very difficult times ...He did realise his mistake or was made to backtrack because f the protests and made a statement saying that India and its interests were his priority .

Entire Film industry stood by the side of Dilip Kumar. They are of the opinion Dilip is above Padma Vibushan . The movie industry demand "Bharat Ratna to Dilip.

http://www.cheertimes.in/2015/06/07/dilip-kumar-deserves-a-bharat-ratna/

@ usha manohar

Thanks for all the information. I simply wanted to point out to @rambabu that Dilip Kumar's talent is definitely unquestionable so he is very much a deserving actor to receive the coveted award. His patriotism was questioned at one point of time but he tried to prove himself innocent. He succeeded and later on people did not doubt his love for India that's why no one is opposing the award but if he had not been proved innocent then what? Should love for the nation be the last criterion? I totally disagree with the view that achievement should be of sole importance. I have nothing against the actor but I am against the  'only achievement 'criterion.

There are many movie actors, politicians, prominent people with shady deals but enjoying all attention and patronage of the people in the high circles of power. In case of Dilip Kumar I'm very much convinced that he's the greatest of all time.Not only me, the elite of Movie industry. The link I had provided gives a detailed account of how great personalities in the Movie world including legendary Satyajit Roy simply bowed before this thespian for his histrionic talents only. Not other aspects. 

There will always be ONLY ONE Dilip Kumar.

We have seen the entire film industry supporting Salman Khan too so one need not give any undue importance to that...However, Dilip Kumar is no doubt a great actor and a legend in his life time and richly deserves the award but that does not mean that he is a perfect person, he has made some grave mistakes and inflammatory statements , which if they were made today would have created quite a furor  given the kind of media attention we have today. But the very fact that he has been given the award shows that people of India have forgiven his mis adventure and bear no grudge against him !

No matter who starts the discussion in a forum ,, one does not have to endorse the views of the discussion starter all the time, so there is no need to give links after links to support one's view, since other members too are on the net and aware of what is going on about the issue. It is only when all angles are discussed does a discussion become complete rather than agree with what the thread says all the time ! This is a free discussion forum not a military campaign , so one should be broadminded enough to at least analyse what others have to say rather than force personal views on others..

usha manohar wrote:

We have seen the entire film industry supporting Salman Khan too so one need not give any undue importance to that...However, Dilip Kumar is no doubt a great actor and a legend in his life time and richly deserves the award but that does not mean that he is a perfect person, he has made some grave mistakes and inflammatory statements , which if they were made today would have created quite a furor  given the kind of media attention we have today. But the very fact that he has been given the award shows that people of India have forgiven his mis adventure and bear no grudge against him !

No matter who starts the discussion in a forum ,, one does not have to endorse the views of the discussion starter all the time, so there is no need to give links after links to support one's view, since other members too are on the net and aware of what is going on about the issue. It is only when all angles are discussed does a discussion become complete rather than agree with what the thread says all the time ! This is a free discussion forum not a military campaign , so one should be broadminded enough to at least analyse what others have to say rather than force personal views on others..

I agree. Nobody can force their opinions on others. Whenever, I find the member disagrees with me, I Leave with the remark, " Welcome, you are entitled to your opinion."

rambabu wrote:

There are many movie actors, politicians, prominent people with shady deals but enjoying all attention and patronage of the people in the high circles of power. In case of Dilip Kumar I'm very much convinced that he's the greatest of all time.Not only me, the elite of Movie industry. The link I had provided gives a detailed account of how great personalities in the Movie world including legendary Satyajit Roy simply bowed before this thespian for his histrionic talents only. Not other aspects. 

There will always be ONLY ONE Dilip Kumar.

 

I feel all these awards are nothing but part of reservation system in our country. These awards are not given based on talent but for gaining/balancing political weightage. You will soon see Aamir, SRK and Salman in queue for a Shree, vibhushan, or even Ratna. I say scrap all this crap and clean the politics.

They deserve the awards for their contributions in their field of entertaining the masses. Will religion decide the eligibility? 

I said the same, every party is doing that and the current government is no exception.

So nothing changes whomsoever you vote for.

vijay wrote:

So nothing changes whomsoever you vote for.

I was out of India during last general election so I am not responsible 

MG Singh wrote:

I am glad Dilip Kumar got the award, mainly as it will nail the lie that BJP is anti Muslim. Dilip is aMuslim and has recieved the Nishan e Pakistan, the highest  civil award in Pakistan. He accepted it during the Kargil war. His role during the Pak India war of 1965 was also dubious. However having said that, I will add he was a great actor.

BJP never anti Muslim. When Vajpayee was PM BJP government was nominate Shbana Ajami in Raja Sabha. Shbana is not a supporter of BJP. Accepting any award from Pakistan, when our soldiers were fighting and dying, was not fair. It was against courtesy. 

The Pakistani award Nishan E Imtiaz was given to Dilip Kumar in 1997 before the Kargil war i 1999. So, there is no connection between the two ! 

suni51 wrote:

rambabu wrote:

There are many movie actors, politicians, prominent people with shady deals but enjoying all attention and patronage of the people in the high circles of power. In case of Dilip Kumar I'm very much convinced that he's the greatest of all time.Not only me, the elite of Movie industry. The link I had provided gives a detailed account of how great personalities in the Movie world including legendary Satyajit Roy simply bowed before this thespian for his histrionic talents only. Not other aspects. 

There will always be ONLY ONE Dilip Kumar.

 

I feel all these awards are nothing but part of reservation system in our country. These awards are not given based on talent but for gaining/balancing political weightage. You will soon see Aamir, SRK and Salman in queue for a Shree, vibhushan, or even Ratna. I say scrap all this crap and clean the politics.

A totally biased opinion to say that Padma Awards are a part of reservation system. Any work of distinction in the fields of art, literature, social work etc, by any person without distinction of race, occupation,position, sex are eligible for these Awards. Conferring Padma Vibhushan on Dilip Kumar is very much Justified.