celebrating Tipu sultan Birth day

Described as one of the foremost commanders of  independence struggle by the Historians, Tipu was the first to have banned consumption of alcohol in the state not on the religious grounds , but on moral and health grounds.

He was the one who introduced Missile or Rocket technology in wars. Some of the other reforms  introduced by Tipu include are introduction of seri culture, confiscating the property of upper castes including Mutts and distributing to the Shudras.

Let us not gloss over the controversies and make it look as if Tipu was another Gandhi !  Another more important news item that is also part of this issue has been completely overlooked in this discussion !There has been protest against Tipu's celebrations since a long time , ever since the time Sanjay Khan went and made his serial and he was made to change certain facts where he depicted him to be a great patriot . It is a well known fact that he forcibly converted people in Mysore and Srirangpatna to Islam during his rule . But Siddaramaiah our corrupt Chief Minister in his all out attempt to please the minorities would go to any extent ..VHP and other organisations went on a protest march and one of the activist was killed in the clashes ? any writers ready with their awards for the poor fellow who lay down his life for a cause ? I doubt that  ..In fact our CM has refused to take any responsibility for the death of this  person who is a retired official from the horticultural dept , calling it an accident ! How insensitive can one get ?

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/politics/tipu-sultan-jayanti-protest-vhp-activist-succumbs-to-injuries-in-karnataka/

Poor Tipu must be turning in his grave. Both sides are doing injustice to his contributions. Bihar has shown that you cannot win votes by dividing communities but still the game goes on.

vijay wrote:

Poor Tipu must be turning in his grave. Both sides are doing injustice to his contributions. Bihar has shown that you cannot win votes by dividing communities but still the game goes on.

 

You mean it was Muslim vote against Hindus which won in Bihar? It was nothing but intelligent vote bank management under the leadership of Guru of the game Lalu Pd yadav.

It will please you a lot if I were to say Yes, which I am not going to say, because I do not know. What I do know is that BJP tried to divide voters but they instead united against it. Every action has a reaction.

I hope Tipu turns in his grave at least now ...after all the atrocities he is supposed to have committed !

This is from wikipedia ..

Haidar Ali and Tipu Sultan[edit]

An 1868 photograph of the ruins of the Vijayanagara Empire atHampi, now a UNESCO World Heritage Site^[36]

There are historians who state that Tippu Sultan was a religious persecutor of Hindus.^[37][38] C. K. Kareem also notes that Tippu Sultan issued an edict for the destruction of Hindu temples in Kerala.^[39] Hindu groups revileTipu Sultan as a bigot who massacred Hindus.^[40] He was known to carry out forced conversions of Hindus and Christians.^[41]

Tipu got Runmust Khan, the Nawab of Kurool, to launch a surprise attack upon the Kodava Hindus (also called Coorgs or Coorgis) who were besieged by the invading Muslim army. 500 were killed and over 40,000 Kodavas fled to the woods and concealed themselves in the mountains.^[42] Thousands of Kodava Hindus were seized along with the Raja and held captive at Seringapatam (Srirangapatna). They were also subjected to forcible conversions to Islam, death, and torture.^{[43][full citation needed]}

In Seringapatam, the young men who were forcibly circumcised were incorporated into the Ahmedy Corps, and they formed eight Risalas or regiments.^[42] The actual number of Kodavas that were captured in the operation is unclear. The British administrator Mark Wilks gives it as 70,000, Historian Lewis Rice arrives at the figure of 85,000, while Mir Kirmani's score for the Coorg campaign is 80,000 men, women and child prisoners.^[42] In a letter to Runmust Khan, Tipu himself stated We proceeded with the utmost speed, and, at once, made prisoners of 40,000 occasion-seeking and sedition-exciting Coorgis, who alarmed at the approach of our victorious army, had slunk into woods, and concealed themselves in lofty mountains, inaccessible even to birds. Then carrying them away from their native country (the native place of sedition) we raised them to the honour of Islam, and incorporated them into our Ahmedy corps.

Tipu sultan fought battle against the British. He is rightly considered as a hero, a freedom fighter and known for innovative measures. It is learnt that there is resentment in some regions for his said repression of certain communities.  This resulted in tussle and death of one person. This is unfortunate. It is duty of government to consider the ground reality.  It is no use celebrating the occasion in a way as would lead to such nuisance and loss of life. As regards positive andf negative aspects of Tipu sultan's rule, it is for historians to comment.  

One cannot expect any rational statements ot thoughts from Congress supporters and they would call Tipu Sultan a hero no doubt about that because they have to show they are always right ! Now another one of those has come up with some pearls of wisdom on the issue ..Girish Karnad should be given another Jnanpith award for some of his statements which also goes where the leanings of so called eminent thinkers lie...According to him what happened in Kodagu and Kerala does not matter, only what happens in Dadri matters ..With all his so called intelligence he makes Kodagu a separate entity while it is very much part of Karnataka state ! what kind of eminent people we have amidst us ! Of course it is a well known fact that Girish Karnad has always had foot in the mouth disease, and such were the people selected for awards by the previous government !

How do you respond to allegations that Tipu Sultan was a tyrant who committed forced conversions in Kodagu and Dakshina Kannada districts?

He may have converted people in Kodagu and Kerala. But politics of those years cannot be debated now. The point is he did not do this in Karnataka. He was a good king for Karnataka. He did not rape or convert anyone in this state. He supported Hindu temples. We can't go into what he did in Kodagu or Kerala because even the British did it. The British also destroyed Srirangapatna, Tipu's capital, before moving to Mysuru. You can't compare those days of history to now and interpret.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Intolerance-linked-to-PM-Modi-Girish-Karnad/articleshow/49751091.cms

The current crisis on Tipu sultan bithday celebration is indeed unfortunate. This could have been avoided. But there is political angle too. This crisis is also a handle to the saffron party to penetrate Tamalnadu and Kerala. Here is a report-

http://www.satyagrah.com/politics/bjp-and-tipu-sultan-controversy/

I guess for Congress and its ardent supporters history is only what they want everyone to believe which is laughable, anyway the wikipedia is not the property of the BJP nor the saffron parties nor is Times of India or India today, both of which are Congress sympathisers ...And more importantly Kareem , a historian who has recorded the facts is certainly not a BJP sympathiser and the facts he recorded were much before BJP came into prominence..Congress people seem to see color Saffron everywhere !

Tippu a secular character?  I will die laughing on a bed of nails. I will only say he was not only a poor general, but also a bigoted person who forcibly circumcised Hindus and forced them to eat beef. He razed temples and churches. I have 2 posts on Boddunan. People my care to read if they have time. Opinion about Tippu  as a general after studying his campaigns at Staff Collrge.

MG Singh wrote:

Tippu a secular character?  I will die laughing on a bed of nails. I will only say he was not only a poor general, but also a bigoted person who forcibly circumcised Hindus and forced them to eat beef. He razed temples and churches. I have 2 posts on Boddunan. People my care to read if they have time. Opinion about Tippu  as a general after studying his campaigns at Staff Collrge.

well, his belonging to the particular community is enough to elevate him to great levels and for congress supporters to sing praises of him to the last breath. Whatever truth we produce of his 'greatness' and 'secularism' will only earn us frowns and indignant repartees that we belong to the saffron cult! LOL

Ultimately which historical figure is going to be spared by today's knowledgeable "historians'. Why study a failed general in Staff College I wonder. Which 'Indian" king and his army withstood the onslought of foreign invaders in the last 1000 years. Please look inwards also for a change.

well i think he is a respect for all Indian and his name should not be used for any political reason 

suni51 wrote:

vijay wrote:

Poor Tipu must be turning in his grave. Both sides are doing injustice to his contributions. Bihar has shown that you cannot win votes by dividing communities but still the game goes on.

 

You mean it was Muslim vote against Hindus which won in Bihar? It was nothing but intelligent vote bank management under the leadership of Guru of the game Lalu Pd yadav.

Yes it right Lalu formula MY success this time. Lalu is biggest racialist. it is surprising thing why people of Bihar choose gudaraj, and reject prospect of development of state.

 

People of Bihar chose Nitishraj over Modiraj. You must respect their choice. Only if people vote for BJP then they are wise is not fair conclusion. Development takes place in all ideologies and cannot become  an absolute mantra of BJP only. BJP joining LJP and Manjhi and Khushwaha  should also be then termed as racialist act.

I read in my text book that Tipu Sultan was hero who fought with British for freedom. It was ploted bias of historians who wrote books and they hide fact that Tipu Sultan also forcely convert religion of Hindus and Christians. This character was very common among the Muslim rulers. What happen at present is only and only dirty politics.  

anil wrote:

I read in my text book that Tipu Sultan was hero who fought with British for freedom. It was ploted bias of historians who wrote books and they hide fact that Tipu Sultan also forcely convert religion of Hindus and Christians. This character was very common among the Muslim rulers. What happen at present is only and only dirty politics.  

True that he fought valiantly against the British but that does not lessen the fact that he was a religious bigot and that he tortured hundreds of Hindus on account of their religion and so, calling him a true patriot and a secular person now is laughable. Also, people today deserve know the true history and not just a painted version that congress might choose to project.

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

anil wrote:

I read in my text book that Tipu Sultan was hero who fought with British for freedom. It was ploted bias of historians who wrote books and they hide fact that Tipu Sultan also forcely convert religion of Hindus and Christians. This character was very common among the Muslim rulers. What happen at present is only and only dirty politics.  

True that he fought valiantly against the British but that does not lessen the fact that he was a religious bigot and that he tortured hundreds of Hindus on account of their religion and so, calling him a true patriot and a secular person now is laughable. Also, people today deserve know the true history and not just a painted version that congress might choose to project.

Indeed winner wrote history. Our history was written by British. If some one save 5 life he will not get right to kill 1 person. Tipu Sultan was fought with  British for his state, it is not favor on any one. I read one book about Rani Padmini of Chittore. It was written by British writer. He favors Alaudin Khilji in this book. But it is not right.

 

Tipu fought against the British just to save his empire and not to free India ...But of course facts get twisted and distorted to suit the people in power. He now becomes a patriot to some , and raping, killing and forcibly converting a few hundred Hindus is no big issue definitely nothing compared to dadri killing and Kalburgi Killing ! The problem with the so called (in)secularists and Communal parties is that they dont look beyond their immediate benefit and would go to any extent to distort facts , when it hinders their own agenda . Karnataka state is having the dubious distinction of having Rape a week in the Capital city Bangalore, but does a corrupt Siddaramaiah and his grand old party care ? Tipu's birth anniversary celebration for which a lavish amount has been granted precedes all else - power crisis/shortage, farmers suicide, rape and the worst ever law and order situation !