Indo Nepal relation

Nepal is our neighbor. Vhina is also Nepal's neighbor. So Nepal needs maintain at leastworking relation with both- India as well as China. No doubt, There are Hindus in Nepal as well as India. Nepal was a Hindu nation. But now Nepal is secilar. India is also yet secular.  Thus India and Nepal are both secular.  Another thing. President and Prime minister of Nepal are communist. Vhina is also ruled by Communist Party.  Thus Nepal has something common with India and China both.

Realation depends on mutual interest and respect for sovereignty of each other. Nepal is a self respecting sovereign country. India has to respect sovereignty of Nepal and not interferein internal matters. If India respects sovereignty of Nepal and doesnot interfere with her internal issues, therelations should be smooth.

we need to rememberthat there are no peranent friends. Thereare permanent interests.     

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

Nepal is our neighbor. Vhina is also Nepal's neighbor. So Nepal needs maintain at leastworking relation with both- India as well as China. No doubt, There are Hindus in Nepal as well as India. Nepal was a Hindu nation. But now Nepal is secilar. India is also yet secular.  Thus India and Nepal are both secular.  Another thing. President and Prime minister of Nepal are communist. Vhina is also ruled by Communist Party.  Thus Nepal has something common with India and China both.

Realation depends on mutual interest and respect for sovereignty of each other. Nepal is a self respecting sovereign country. India has to respect sovereignty of Nepal and not interferein internal matters. If India respects sovereignty of Nepal and doesnot interfere with her internal issues, therelations should be smooth.

we need to rememberthat there are no peranent friends. Thereare permanent interests.

 

Interference in the internal matters of Nepal, and raising concerns on this issue by India is   the cause of strained relations between India and Nepal.India asked Nepal Government to make seven changes in its constitution, which should have been avoided.

We have to remember that there is an open border between India and Nepal and often this is the route terrorists have taken to infiltrate into India. Given this fact India would naturally be concerned with Nepal's growing friendship with China. The only option left for India would be make Visa mandatory for Nepalis and also close the border or else we will have Chinese will have an easy access to come into Indian territory ! India is right in showing its concerns now that Nepal will be a secular state and if it is going to be on Indian model then we need to seriously worry about our safety ..

Religion is not a binding factor. Otherwise Christian and Muslim countries would not be fighting each other. India and Indians should not see Nepal as a Hindu nation but as a independent sovereign nation Also the fact that the PM ans President are communists also explains leaning towards China. It is not going to be easy for India to woo Nepal like before but that is the challenge Indian goct has to face and overcome.

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

Nepal is our neighbor. Vhina is also Nepal's neighbor. So Nepal needs maintain at leastworking relation with both- India as well as China. No doubt, There are Hindus in Nepal as well as India. Nepal was a Hindu nation. But now Nepal is secilar. India is also yet secular.  Thus India and Nepal are both secular.  Another thing. President and Prime minister of Nepal are communist. Vhina is also ruled by Communist Party.  Thus Nepal has something common with India and China both.

Realation depends on mutual interest and respect for sovereignty of each other. Nepal is a self respecting sovereign country. India has to respect sovereignty of Nepal and not interferein internal matters. If India respects sovereignty of Nepal and doesnot interfere with her internal issues, therelations should be smooth.

we need to rememberthat there are no peranent friends. Thereare permanent interests.

It is not policy of India to interference in the other country. Nepal has only one thing common it is communist government. But it is not permanent. It may possible that in next election other party come in to power. The mazor is that India and Nepal have common interest. Nepali is integral part of Indian society. (not India) Many Indian are doing business in Nepal. Any hardship with Indian in Nepal may cause of problem for both country.    

usha manohar wrote:

We have to remember that there is an open border between India and Nepal and often this is the route terrorists have taken to infiltrate into India. Given this fact India would naturally be concerned with Nepal's growing friendship with China. The only option left for India would be make Visa mandatory for Nepalis and also close the border or else we will have Chinese will have an easy access to come into Indian territory ! India is right in showing its concerns now that Nepal will be a secular state and if it is going to be on Indian model then we need to seriously worry about our safety ..

It is right that development of friend ship of Nepal with China is not in the interest of India. It may possible that in future Nepal government allowed China to have camp of army in Nepal, on head of India. Making Visa is not practically possible. Millions Nepalis are living in India.

vijay wrote:

Religion is not a binding factor. Otherwise Christian and Muslim countries would not be fighting each other. India and Indians should not see Nepal as a Hindu nation but as a independent sovereign nation Also the fact that the PM ans President are communists also explains leaning towards China. It is not going to be easy for India to woo Nepal like before but that is the challenge Indian goct has to face and overcome.

Yes I am also saying it, Nepal is not problem for India but going step of China in to Nepal  is not good for the India, we have not forgotten Tibbet.

anil wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

We have to remember that there is an open border between India and Nepal and often this is the route terrorists have taken to infiltrate into India. Given this fact India would naturally be concerned with Nepal's growing friendship with China. The only option left for India would be make Visa mandatory for Nepalis and also close the border or else we will have Chinese will have an easy access to come into Indian territory ! India is right in showing its concerns now that Nepal will be a secular state and if it is going to be on Indian model then we need to seriously worry about our safety ..

It is right that development of friend ship of Nepal with China is not in the interest of India. It may possible that in future Nepal government allowed China to have camp of army in Nepal, on head of India. Making Visa is not practically possible. Millions Nepalis are living in India.

 

There are millions of Indians working all over the world without any problem, it will be the same for Nepalis living here and things would be better organised too for our country and its safety which is what is first priority !

As Nepal is neighbour to both- India and China, many would betreating China as a sort of competitor. China could also take advantage of our less than cordial relation with Nepal. Here lies the test of our foreign policy. Nothing can be taken for granted. If we wish China not to entirely depend on China, we have to be more carefulin respecting sovereignyof Nepal. Mere religious or cultural similarity does not help.  

Nepal is a in a very bad situation as the communist parties have succeeded in their efforts of bringing Nepal closer to China and now Nepal sitting in China's lap is trying to dictate terms with India. China is looking for long term gains at the cost of Nepal. 

suni51 wrote:

Nepal is a in a very bad situation as the communist parties have succeeded in their efforts of bringing Nepal closer to China and now Nepal sitting in China's lap is trying to dictate terms with India. China is looking for long term gains at the cost of Nepal. 

There appears some misunderstanding on issue of Madhesis in Nepal. The Madhesis complain that the states in Nepal as decided in the cosntitution leave them in minority everywhere. Nepal leadership apprehends that India is instigating Madhesis. This is the issue that needsbe amicably settled. It is hoped that this will be settled by Nepalis themselves without any ourside interference. As regards Indo Nepal relation, not only many Nepalis are working as watchmen and waiters but also serving in some Gurkha regiments of Indian Army. It is certainly not in interst of Nepal to spoil relation with India. Nepal is free as a sovereign country to maintain good relation with China but this should preferably not be at cost of Indo Nepal relation.  Let us hope ultimately everything will be okay.   

usha manohar wrote:

We have to remember that there is an open border between India and Nepal and often this is the route terrorists have taken to infiltrate into India. Given this fact India would naturally be concerned with Nepal's growing friendship with China. The only option left for India would be make Visa mandatory for Nepalis and also close the border or else we will have Chinese will have an easy access to come into Indian territory ! India is right in showing its concerns now that Nepal will be a secular state and if it is going to be on Indian model then we need to seriously worry about our safety ..

No i don't agree with you about the border between nepal and india because there are lots of people whose family lives in nepal from years and if the border is made then they have to waste their time in visa and all that red-tapism 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

suni51 wrote:

Nepal is a in a very bad situation as the communist parties have succeeded in their efforts of bringing Nepal closer to China and now Nepal sitting in China's lap is trying to dictate terms with India. China is looking for long term gains at the cost of Nepal. 

There appears some misunderstanding on issue of Madhesis in Nepal. The Madhesis complain that the states in Nepal as decided in the cosntitution leave them in minority everywhere. Nepal leadership apprehends that India is instigating Madhesis. This is the issue that needsbe amicably settled. It is hoped that this will be settled by Nepalis themselves without any ourside interference. As regards Indo Nepal relation, not only many Nepalis are working as watchmen and waiters but also serving in some Gurkha regiments of Indian Army. It is certainly not in interst of Nepal to spoil relation with India. Nepal is free as a sovereign country to maintain good relation with China but this should preferably not be at cost of Indo Nepal relation.  Let us hope ultimately everything will be okay.   

 

There are millions of Nepalese in India and if you visit parts of WB (Darjeeling) Sikkim and borders of Bihar, Assam, North East and UP you will find lots of Nepalis in India and a big number of Indians live in Nepal for years. I have visited that area deeply and know the Chinese are trying their best to capture Nepal to have a decisive advantage over India. The situation is not as simple as dealing with couple of waiters and watchmen or people in Gurkha regiment but the Indo-Nepal relations have much more than that.  

suni51 wrote:

Nepal is a in a very bad situation as the communist parties have succeeded in their efforts of bringing Nepal closer to China and now Nepal sitting in China's lap is trying to dictate terms with India. China is looking for long term gains at the cost of Nepal. 

yes China is not an honest country. China wants to siege India from East to North.His army is present at Arunachal Pradesh Border and at POK. In future his army may be posted at Bihar and Uttar Pradesh Border. China build dam on Bramaputra river now he his in position to stop water in  river or create situation of flood in West Bengal.

suni51 wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

suni51 wrote:

Nepal is a in a very bad situation as the communist parties have succeeded in their efforts of bringing Nepal closer to China and now Nepal sitting in China's lap is trying to dictate terms with India. China is looking for long term gains at the cost of Nepal. 

There appears some misunderstanding on issue of Madhesis in Nepal. The Madhesis complain that the states in Nepal as decided in the cosntitution leave them in minority everywhere. Nepal leadership apprehends that India is instigating Madhesis. This is the issue that needsbe amicably settled. It is hoped that this will be settled by Nepalis themselves without any ourside interference. As regards Indo Nepal relation, not only many Nepalis are working as watchmen and waiters but also serving in some Gurkha regiments of Indian Army. It is certainly not in interst of Nepal to spoil relation with India. Nepal is free as a sovereign country to maintain good relation with China but this should preferably not be at cost of Indo Nepal relation.  Let us hope ultimately everything will be okay.   

 

There are millions of Nepalese in India and if you visit parts of WB (Darjeeling) Sikkim and borders of Bihar, Assam, North East and UP you will find lots of Nepalis in India and a big number of Indians live in Nepal for years. I have visited that area deeply and know the Chinese are trying their best to capture Nepal to have a decisive advantage over India. The situation is not as simple as dealing with couple of waiters and watchmen or people in Gurkha regiment but the Indo-Nepal relations have much more than that.  

 

I saifd about interest of Nepal. Nepali national are in Indian army.  India is not affected so muchas Nepal is. India should be more valuable to Nepal for strategic and other reasons.  

 

bhuyali saroj wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

We have to remember that there is an open border between India and Nepal and often this is the route terrorists have taken to infiltrate into India. Given this fact India would naturally be concerned with Nepal's growing friendship with China. The only option left for India would be make Visa mandatory for Nepalis and also close the border or else we will have Chinese will have an easy access to come into Indian territory ! India is right in showing its concerns now that Nepal will be a secular state and if it is going to be on Indian model then we need to seriously worry about our safety ..

No i don't agree with you about the border between nepal and india because there are lots of people whose family lives in nepal from years and if the border is made then they have to waste their time in visa and all that red-tapism 

 

Just for your information - there are different kinds of VISAs - not just travel Visa, you have immigrant Visa, resident visa, working visa which all have different terms ..Ultimately we have to think of India's security first !

After Narendra Modi's came in to power, the erstwhile Indo Nepalese relations took a new turn.

With the increasing dominance of Maoism, the new Nepalese Government recently, Nepal started distancing itself from India and nearing towards China.

Here is an interesting link that throws light in this regard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India%E2%80%93Nepal_relations

@GulshanJi- sorry but the truth is India has much more to lose if the relations between India and Nepal deteriorate at this point.

@rambabu- the relations between Indo-Nepal have been deteriorating for last 7-8 years after the system of Nepal changed from Kingdom to democracy. The communists under the influence of China have a major say in the politics which is taking Nepal toward China. China is spending billions and the Nepalis are enjoying the flow of money from India in competition with China. 

@Usha the dispute between India and Nepalese people in bordering areas esp in Darjeeling area lead by Subhash Ghising who died this year in January has been the main reason of dispute between the two countries which Indians failed to settle as usual. In fact there is no country in Indian neighborhood whom we could call a true neighbor of our country for the bad policies of our governments in the past and present to some extent. 

bhuyali saroj wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

We have to remember that there is an open border between India and Nepal and often this is the route terrorists have taken to infiltrate into India. Given this fact India would naturally be concerned with Nepal's growing friendship with China. The only option left for India would be make Visa mandatory for Nepalis and also close the border or else we will have Chinese will have an easy access to come into Indian territory ! India is right in showing its concerns now that Nepal will be a secular state and if it is going to be on Indian model then we need to seriously worry about our safety ..

No i don't agree with you about the border between nepal and india because there are lots of people whose family lives in nepal from years and if the border is made then they have to waste their time in visa and all that red-tapism 

 

There is no Visa system in between Nepal and India (unless you're traveling by air a passport is enough) There are thousands of families living in both these two countries for centuries peacefully despite having disputes but the communist parties are trying to bring the trouble from both sides. The present Madheshi dispute is one of these problems which is nothing but to sideline the Indians in Nepal.

 

suni51 wrote:

@GulshanJi- sorry but the truth is India has much more to lose if the relations between India and Nepal deteriorate at this point.

 

@rambabu- the relations between Indo-Nepal have been deteriorating for last 7-8 years after the system of Nepal changed from Kingdom to democracy. The communists under the influence of China have a major say in the politics which is taking Nepal toward China. China is spending billions and the Nepalis are enjoying the flow of money from India in competition with China. 

@Usha the dispute between India and Nepalese people in bordering areas esp in Darjeeling area lead by Subhash Ghising who died this year in January has been the main reason of dispute between the two countries which Indians failed to settle as usual. In fact there is no country in Indian neighborhood whom we could call a true neighbor of our country for the bad policies of our governments in the past and present to some extent. 

That's a Good analysis Sunil. You laid out two important and pertinent points on the subject. The first and foremost is that the belief we had that Nepal is a good neighbor proved to be a mirage. The second point is that, Nepal is really having good time in getting the funds from India to compete with China whose Expansionism is well known.

I feel Nepal in future Nepal should make itself ready for a a Big back stabbing from China.