Heated Bihar Polls ..Round 4

One of the reasons of BJP's debacle has been the so-called upper caste people stayed away from polling process or they came out in very few numbers. Party members like Shatrughan Sinha have been openly criticizing Modi for not inducting him as minister at center. I Suggest Modi should deal with all such people with stricter hands and show them their right place if he has to keep discipline in the party and not to mention the MPs speaking senselessly while addressing public meetings. Mohan Bhagwat made a strategical mistake in his speech in a state like Bihar speaking against reservation though I personally feel all reservations should go immediately.       

Definitely. Resentment from the same party members like Shatrughna Sinha for not getting a minister post and Mohan Bhagawat's  speech against reservations are a few strategical mistakes that lead to BJP debacle..

Now I feel that Lalu, the fodder thief will certainly black mail  Nitish for his share of the loot. Nitish is generally a good politician. It's for the good of the Government and for himself, Nitish should keep a vigilant eye on Lalu.

The main reason is the unity of opposition parties. A nice conclusion is in the link:

http://blogs.navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/ekla-chalo/entry/its-mathematics-win-not-nitish-s

The main reasons for Bihar poll debacle were already discussed in detail by Sunil. Of course, Unity in opposition is one of the many factors. Additionally, Shatrughan Sinha and R. K. Singh deceived the BJP. Shatrughan Sinha was dis satisfied be cause he was not given a minister post.

rambabu wrote:

The main reasons for Bihar poll debacle were already discussed in detail by Sunil. 

 

Let everyone have their say like Sunil and you have...

The main reason is the unity of opposition parties. A nice conclusion is in the link:

http://blogs.navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/ekla-chalo/entry/its-mathematics-win-not-nitish-s

The link gives a very accurate analysis of how vote share and maths changed ....I am sure NDA would take note of all their mistakes and make sure they dont repeat them in the future !

The voters of Bihar have very strongly shown that hate and divisive policies will not be tolerated by average Indian. Howsoever mathematics, upper caste dis not come to vote etc reasons may be put forward, hate politics must end.

@vijai there is nothing like love or hate in politics. Indian politics is all about caste and creed otherwise the TV channels and politicians would not keep counting heads- day-in and day-out constantly ever since the election process started in this country.

We see how during every single election, different political leaders putting down the others and then calling themselves pious ! Congress forgets its own past abusive mentality started by Sonia Gandhi and other top leaders ,which led to BJP giving tit for tat. Now all the parties seem to take pleasure in doing this, so one cannot point fingers at any one party .. Blame game has become the order of the day and when someone loses the others are ready with their tirade and so on...Winning a losing is part of the game and winning one state election does not change things drastically.But the opposition parties may unite together in their bid to out throw BJP which should be resisted by all citizens knowing what we will be in for if such a thing happens in the future!  

It's a hate campaign, generated from sheer jealousy. The screen play writers are well known. There is nothing secret. Modi personally admitted his defeat and congratulated Nitish. This shows the magnanimity of Modi.

But, Modi must certainly take cue from the defeat and switch over to a suitable way to counter this defeat.

 I'm sure he will do.After all he has lost Bihar, but not the entire country.

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

anil wrote:

suni51 wrote:

We should keep in mind that it's Lalu Yadav who has got the most number of seats. I consider him as one of the most unwanted politician in Indian politics with his past history and charges he has against him.

I am 101% agree with you. Not only Lalu Yadav, Mulayam Singh, Mayawati all are politician  who must be removed from the sanerio of Indian politics. It is bad luck of country and Bihar and good luck of Lalu Yadav that he won seats more than JDU. It seems that peoples of Bihar is not interest in development they like Gunda Raj.  

People punish any politician not again and again. Despite imposing emergency, people gave her another chance. Lalu has already suffered. So he has been given another chance by people.  

Lalu Yadav is unique in some respects. He is the man who stopped Adwanu's Rath Yatra. He is the man who never joined hands with communal forces unlike Ram Vilas Paswan and now Manjhi. Nitish Kumar was also with BJP for some time. But Lalu Yadav has always fought communal forces. Presently he is tallest leader of Bihar. Now Bihar depends for progress and peace on Nitish Lalu duo. 

I am not agree with it that Lalu is a  non communal. His politics is based on only his formula MY means Muslim and Yadav. For him all religions and cast are not equally important. Forgot development and progress of Bihar in the leadership of Lalu. He said in one public meeting, Machhi Khao Tari Pio or Mast Raho. Yes it is development and progress.

anil wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

anil wrote:

suni51 wrote:

We should keep in mind that it's Lalu Yadav who has got the most number of seats. I consider him as one of the most unwanted politician in Indian politics with his past history and charges he has against him.

I am 101% agree with you. Not only Lalu Yadav, Mulayam Singh, Mayawati all are politician  who must be removed from the sanerio of Indian politics. It is bad luck of country and Bihar and good luck of Lalu Yadav that he won seats more than JDU. It seems that peoples of Bihar is not interest in development they like Gunda Raj.  

People punish any politician not again and again. Despite imposing emergency, people gave her another chance. Lalu has already suffered. So he has been given another chance by people.  

Lalu Yadav is unique in some respects. He is the man who stopped Adwanu's Rath Yatra. He is the man who never joined hands with communal forces unlike Ram Vilas Paswan and now Manjhi. Nitish Kumar was also with BJP for some time. But Lalu Yadav has always fought communal forces. Presently he is tallest leader of Bihar. Now Bihar depends for progress and peace on Nitish Lalu duo. 

I am not agree with it that Lalu is a  non communal. His politics is based on only his formula MY means Muslim and Yadav. For him all religions and cast are not equally important. Forgot development and progress of Bihar in the leadership of Lalu. He said in one public meeting, Machhi Khao Tari Pio or Mast Raho. Yes it is development and progress.

Ahaha.. eat fish and drink Hooch. Perhaps it's Laloo's way of developing the state.

 

suni51 wrote:

One of the reasons of BJP's debacle has been the so-called upper caste people stayed away from polling process or they came out in very few numbers. Party members like Shatrughan Sinha have been openly criticizing Modi for not inducting him as minister at center. I Suggest Modi should deal with all such people with stricter hands and show them their right place if he has to keep discipline in the party and not to mention the MPs speaking senselessly while addressing public meetings. Mohan Bhagwat made a strategical mistake in his speech in a state like Bihar speaking against reservation though I personally feel all reservations should go immediately.

Yes I am agree, Shatrughan Sinha jaise dost ho to Dushman ki Jaroot he Kya. Rubbish statements of some BJP leader gave weapon in the hand to Lalu and Nitish. High price of lentils, onion and cooking oil also some reason of BJP defeat in Bihar. It is fact that BJP can't control inflation.      

Every political party has a few such fence sitters who are ready to jump at the slightest given opportunity ..They will of course look after their interests first and noting can keep them happy and contented because they are greedy and power hungry to start with !

However, I fail to understand why so much is being made of Bihar elections, as if it is the end of road for NDA when it is a fact that they have won Maharashtra, increased their vote share and have an alliance in Jammu and Kashmir, won Jharkand, won Haryana...Are these states not important enough ? too much is being read into Bihar combining other issues , a typical Congress tactic where they try to club together too many issues to draw attention from the fact that they are losing election of election and now reduced to hanger on position with other small time parties ..

usha manohar wrote:

Every political party has a few such fence sitters who are ready to jump at the slightest given opportunity ..They will of course look after their interests first and noting can keep them happy and contented because they are greedy and power hungry to start with !

However, I fail to understand why so much is being made of Bihar elections, as if it is the end of road for NDA when it is a fact that they have won Maharashtra, increased their vote share and have an alliance in Jammu and Kashmir, won Jharkand, won Haryana...Are these states not important enough ? too much is being read into Bihar combining other issues , a typical Congress tactic where they try to club together too many issues to draw attention from the fact that they are losing election of election and now reduced to hanger on position with other small time parties ..

Not only opposition, BJP stalwarts are also concentrating on Bihar debacle. This is considered as arrest of the Modi wave. The Bihar debacle is also repetition of Delhi elections. It is viewed that BJP wins only where opposition have no viable leadership. In J & K, BJP is just junior partner and has no base in Kashmir region. In Maharashtra and Haryana, there was no viable opposition leadership. Moreover, these elections were a continuation of parliamentary success of BJP. The Assam and U.P. elections are also due in next two years. There is another cause of worry. The BJP and its allies cannot get majority in Rajya Sabha if they go on losing in state assemblies. As a result of Bihar debacle, it may be difficult to get bills passed in Rajya Sabha. 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

Every political party has a few such fence sitters who are ready to jump at the slightest given opportunity ..They will of course look after their interests first and noting can keep them happy and contented because they are greedy and power hungry to start with !

However, I fail to understand why so much is being made of Bihar elections, as if it is the end of road for NDA when it is a fact that they have won Maharashtra, increased their vote share and have an alliance in Jammu and Kashmir, won Jharkand, won Haryana...Are these states not important enough ? too much is being read into Bihar combining other issues , a typical Congress tactic where they try to club together too many issues to draw attention from the fact that they are losing election of election and now reduced to hanger on position with other small time parties ..

Not only opposition, BJP stalwarts are also concentrating on Bihar debacle. This is considered as arrest of the Modi wave. The Bihar debacle is also repetition of Delhi elections. It is viewed that BJP wins only where opposition have no viable leadership. In J & K, BJP is just junior partner and has no base in Kashmir region. In Maharashtra and Haryana, there was no viable opposition leadership. Moreover, these elections were a continuation of parliamentary success of BJP. The Assam and U.P. elections are also due in next two years. There is another cause of worry. The BJP and its allies cannot get majority in Rajya Sabha if they go on losing in state assemblies. As a result of Bihar debacle, it may be difficult to get bills passed in Rajya Sabha. 

Let's have a look at the things in the real perspective.

Now a severe introspection started in the big heads of the  BJP. Of course, this is essential. BJP too is thinking seriously about the likely problems that may crop up after the Bihar debacle

BJP's economic reforms like the GST Bill, real estate regulation and land acquisition Bill may be difficult to get passed in the Rajya Sabha. These economic reforms are very essential for the country's development

If the BJP succeeds in getting right solutions, it's well and good.

 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

Every political party has a few such fence sitters who are ready to jump at the slightest given opportunity ..They will of course look after their interests first and noting can keep them happy and contented because they are greedy and power hungry to start with !

However, I fail to understand why so much is being made of Bihar elections, as if it is the end of road for NDA when it is a fact that they have won Maharashtra, increased their vote share and have an alliance in Jammu and Kashmir, won Jharkand, won Haryana...Are these states not important enough ? too much is being read into Bihar combining other issues , a typical Congress tactic where they try to club together too many issues to draw attention from the fact that they are losing election of election and now reduced to hanger on position with other small time parties ..

Not only opposition, BJP stalwarts are also concentrating on Bihar debacle. This is considered as arrest of the Modi wave. The Bihar debacle is also repetition of Delhi elections. It is viewed that BJP wins only where opposition have no viable leadership. In J & K, BJP is just junior partner and has no base in Kashmir region. In Maharashtra and Haryana, there was no viable opposition leadership. Moreover, these elections were a continuation of parliamentary success of BJP. The Assam and U.P. elections are also due in next two years. There is another cause of worry. The BJP and its allies cannot get majority in Rajya Sabha if they go on losing in state assemblies. As a result of Bihar debacle, it may be difficult to get bills passed in Rajya Sabha.

 

A time comes when stalwarts have to pave way to younger generation, the people who do it gracefully live their life happily and the ones who still have ambitions left show their frustrations at such occasions. They should play their role of guides and should not forget their own failures in the past.  

 

suni51 wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

Every political party has a few such fence sitters who are ready to jump at the slightest given opportunity ..They will of course look after their interests first and noting can keep them happy and contented because they are greedy and power hungry to start with !

However, I fail to understand why so much is being made of Bihar elections, as if it is the end of road for NDA when it is a fact that they have won Maharashtra, increased their vote share and have an alliance in Jammu and Kashmir, won Jharkand, won Haryana...Are these states not important enough ? too much is being read into Bihar combining other issues , a typical Congress tactic where they try to club together too many issues to draw attention from the fact that they are losing election of election and now reduced to hanger on position with other small time parties ..

Not only opposition, BJP stalwarts are also concentrating on Bihar debacle. This is considered as arrest of the Modi wave. The Bihar debacle is also repetition of Delhi elections. It is viewed that BJP wins only where opposition have no viable leadership. In J & K, BJP is just junior partner and has no base in Kashmir region. In Maharashtra and Haryana, there was no viable opposition leadership. Moreover, these elections were a continuation of parliamentary success of BJP. The Assam and U.P. elections are also due in next two years. There is another cause of worry. The BJP and its allies cannot get majority in Rajya Sabha if they go on losing in state assemblies. As a result of Bihar debacle, it may be difficult to get bills passed in Rajya Sabha.

 

A time comes when stalwarts have to pave way to younger generation, the people who do it gracefully live their life happily and the ones who still have ambitions left show their frustrations at such occasions. They should play their role of guides and should not forget their own failures in the past.

Very true. every body agrees that  the future lies in the hands of the youth power. But no elder comes forward to make place for the younger generation. Handing the power to youth should be done in a gradual manner, while the elder politicians act as guides.

 

 

lalu and nitish won but one should not forget that bjp candidates got highest vote . if we compare lalu , nitish and congress vote individually 

bhuyali saroj wrote:

lalu and nitish won but one should not forget that bjp candidates got highest vote . if we compare lalu , nitish and congress vote individually 

BJP as a party is still strong. But the MODI wave if this means anything is no more. BJP is unable to sweep elections now under his leadership.  So ion future elections BJP may win somewhere and lose elsewhere. On the whole the performance is expected to be just average and no massive victory. consequently, no majority in Rajya sabha in near future. 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

Every political party has a few such fence sitters who are ready to jump at the slightest given opportunity ..They will of course look after their interests first and noting can keep them happy and contented because they are greedy and power hungry to start with !

However, I fail to understand why so much is being made of Bihar elections, as if it is the end of road for NDA when it is a fact that they have won Maharashtra, increased their vote share and have an alliance in Jammu and Kashmir, won Jharkand, won Haryana...Are these states not important enough ? too much is being read into Bihar combining other issues , a typical Congress tactic where they try to club together too many issues to draw attention from the fact that they are losing election of election and now reduced to hanger on position with other small time parties ..

Not only opposition, BJP stalwarts are also concentrating on Bihar debacle. This is considered as arrest of the Modi wave. The Bihar debacle is also repetition of Delhi elections. It is viewed that BJP wins only where opposition have no viable leadership. In J & K, BJP is just junior partner and has no base in Kashmir region. In Maharashtra and Haryana, there was no viable opposition leadership. Moreover, these elections were a continuation of parliamentary success of BJP. The Assam and U.P. elections are also due in next two years. There is another cause of worry. The BJP and its allies cannot get majority in Rajya Sabha if they go on losing in state assemblies. As a result of Bihar debacle, it may be difficult to get bills passed in Rajya Sabha. 

 

Congress party and its sympathisers are waiting for a chance to pick holes at any minor opportunity and Bihar debacle is a god sent one for them .When an election has been lost this happens with all parties when a few disgruntled parties speak out from within the party...I remember how the mother-son duo of Congress were thrashed verbally by some party members who were of course kicked out or silenced by other sycophants within the party, which does not happen in BJP and everyone can air their views and greivances. The situation is nowhere near that where BJP and Modi is concerned. The so called arrest of Modi wave and anything else is a figment of the media and opposition imagination...It does not really matter to those people who have understood the political parties and their leaders inside out by now...

The only choice this country has , as of now is BJP, which of course has to get many things put in order, the rest of the whole lot of questionable parties coming together will only ruin this country !