Should popular personalities judge a person's credibility?

There is a system called Arbitration in which an Arbitrator who is an independent person is  appointed to settle a dispute The arbitrator hears both the sides in the dispute expresses his opinion. In villages this system is there.. In village Panchayats is empowered to pass the judgement too. And the parties are bound to abide by the Arbitrator's verdict. But it's different in Urban areas. He hears both sides and expresses his opinion only. Basing on this the two parties will decide whether to go for court or not.

In this case of Talvars Shobha De has expressed her opinion and described Talvars as devilish parents.. In my opinion this not proper. This is what I know..

In villages Panchs are also called parmeshwar, God. No difference weather they are working in rural are or urban area. Shobha de's attitude is like chief of Khaps. Using these words for parents is not fair.

Shobha De has simply ridiculed the parents. In the post the writer has rightly mentioned that what if Arushi was our own. How can a popular figure spit venom like this? As if she was speaking about the anti-nationals and not parents of the dead teenage girl. I must say that she was pathetic and must be condemned by everyone.

anil wrote:

In villages Panchs are also called parmeshwar, God. No difference weather they are working in rural are or urban area. Shobha de's attitude is like chief of Khaps. Using these words for parents is not fair.

Yes, Shobha De's verdict is just like Khap Panchayat Chief. Khap Panchayat verdict is always controversial and one sided. It's like military rule. There is no possibility for appeal or adjournment.

A while ago I read an article and it forced me to think that why the popular personalities take so much liberty while they judge people. The link here does not mainly discuss about the movie Talvar but basically the writer has thrown light on the panellists' approach on a television debate show. Though I had followed the case, I forgot about such dirty remarks on the parents that were made by the panellist. Here, I share the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.in/urvashi-prasad/why-i-would-like-to-apolo_b_8238700.html

I have read several articles read by Urvashi Prasad on the same subject and to a point I agree with her views .What has happened is extremely tragic and media too has played a great role in this particular case. Now regarding Shoba De's remarks - First of all she is entitled to her opinion like any of us is and what she has expressed is in her blog not a media interview and Shoba De never minces her words. Blogs are meant for expressing ones personal views and it is not her fault that many people want to read her blog and judge her based on that.Even after the release of the film , many people and the CBI still feel the same way as Shoba De that the Talwars' were guilty.There have been many blotch ups with the investigation and two other suspects who have somehow not been investigated thoroughly ...Shoba has expressed her views based on what was revealed by the police and the CBI and also going by the obvious view that Nupur Talwar seemed to conceal rather than help the investigation whaich is what any mother who had lost her child would do, go all out to aid the investigation, which was not the case here ..  comparing her to Khap Panchat is ridiculous and shallow..

Shobha De 's blog describes Arushi's parents as Monsters. Of course if it's her opinion it OK If it is a verdict well I don't know whether it is ridiculous or not. The link has been given in the article itself.

http://shobhaade.blogspot.in/2013/04/aarushis-monster-parents.html

rambabu wrote:

Shobha De 's blog describes Arushi's parents as Monsters. Of course if it's her opinion it OK If it is a verdict well I don't know whether it is ridiculous or not. The link has been given in the article itself.

http://shobhaade.blogspot.in/2013/04/aarushis-monster-parents.html

 

 In the earlier post, it was you who compared Shobha De's opinion with that of Khap panchayat and now you are changing the tune. Highly confusing and highly undesirable!!!

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Shobha De 's blog describes Arushi's parents as Monsters. Of course if it's her opinion it OK If it is a verdict well I don't know whether it is ridiculous or not. The link has been given in the article itself.

http://shobhaade.blogspot.in/2013/04/aarushis-monster-parents.html

 

 In the earlier post, it was you who compared Shobha De's opinion with that of Khap panchayat and now you are changing the tune. Highly confusing and highly undesirable!!!

True. It was Anil who compared Shobha De's opinion as Khap Panchayat opinion. It's also true that I agreed with Anil. If you feel I changed my opinion and highly undesirable, I will mend myself. As the discussion is progressing it may so happen that versions may change.

Anyhow, I assure you that i will mend myself.

 

The Talwars are undergoing jail sentence as a result of court finding them guilty.  There is nothing wring in expressing opinion about their involement in murder of their daughter.  The circumstancial evidence clearly pointed to their involvement in the murder.  Honor killing is the only reason that appears from the murder. 

The film Talvar is supposed to have been made very realistically after interviewing people connected to the crime, some of them apparently not approached by the investigating agencies..However, now with the President himself watching the film, there may be a new twist to the case and the Talvars have already appealed against the life sentence although it has not been heard as yet.. Whether the film and the media reports which go from one end to the other will have an impact on the outcome of their pending appeal has to be seen..Either way there might be a need for more investigation into the case if Talvars are out on bail or their appeal is considered by the higher court ! 

After reading everyone's comment I can add only one point to it. First of all, I am not sure where Shobha De made that comment, on a T.V debate or in her personal blog, but the article says that she spoke rudely about the Talwars on television. @usha manohar if we believe that a person is entitled to pass any kind of remark about anyone like Shobha De did in her personal blog as you said then @anil is entitled to say what he thinks about De. This is where I want to pinpoint that no one be it popular figure or people like us must not cross the line while sharing our thought. See, how the singer Abhijit termed Ghulam Ali, isn't it cheap? That's the point, I may believe or not believe that parents are the culprits but making them die every day through our comments is somewhere very unethical because we know that our police and legal department fail to serve justice in many cases. 

Why only Anil, Rambabu too said the same thing more elaborately... The difference is Kahp is a panchayat which can pass verdicts that get hard and implemented , whereas Shoba De is not part of any court or panchayat and neither her views are going to change anything for the Talwars , she is just an individual like you and me, may be famous because of her celebrity status, and she is speaking out her thoughts in her personal blog after the verdict came out, she is only speaking out her thoughts,,There is absolutely no comparison between the two issues !

no i don't think so that there is anybody except ones mother and father, who have the right to judge a person credibility. if there is someone who can and who should is his/her parents and nobody else  

@usha manohar I completely agree with you that Shobha De should not be compared with Khap but by saying this I don't expect Shobha De to speak so bluntly about people. The most important point about such complicated cases is, what you see through your open eyes might not be the truth so why to speak so harshly that if proved wrong then one has to feel ashamed of her spoken words.  

Shampa Sadhya wrote:

@usha manohar I completely agree with you that Shobha De should not be compared with Khap but by saying this I don't expect Shobha De to speak so bluntly about people. The most important point about such complicated cases is, what you see through your open eyes might not be the truth so why to speak so harshly that if proved wrong then one has to feel ashamed of her spoken words.  

Shoba De is a very mature and experienced journalist/writer besides being very intelligent abd very frank in her expressing her views. I doubt if she has spoken in haste and would feel ashamed of her spoken words .In fact yesterday there was a debate on a TV channel about the film Talvar and the same subject which was very interesting and the final conclusion was that Talvars did have a role to play in the murder , because the police IG of police who made the investigations and the CBI both have no doubts in their minds although there are some discrepancies ..

Frequent Opinion givers graduate into believing that they know everything and start passing judgments which they consider are fair and final. Shoba De has reached this stage some time back. There should be a system whereby such opinion givers should be given complete rest say of two to three months, so that they remain normal. Today electronic mediacan and  does influence the judiciary also.

LOL..Shoba De can bring out strong reactions in people because of her forceful nature and personality  but from what I have seen she is a very straightforward and honest person who does not speak for effect !

If you ask my opinion about Shobha De, I would not deny that I admire her straightforwardness and the confidence on her face but in this regard I felt she was too judgemental and in hurry also. I was shocked to know that parents were the culprits and was critical about them that how parents could do so but somehow deep inside I wanted it to be proved wrong. This movie has shown a glimmer of hope. As you @usha manohar informed about the IG's opinion, it maybe right but somewhere I feel the police department will not disclose the truth because it will defame them.

@ Shampa, Many a times I too have wondered whether parents could kill their own child no matter what the reasons are . But in some cases it can happen in a fit of rage.Here , if you remember during the investigation there was also the angle that Aarushi was an adopted child and when police went hunting for records they were unable to get any of them although verbally many agreed that she was adopted. I am just citing this not because an adopted child is any less yours than your own. 

It is possible owing to extreme anger a child being killed. Such incidents are happening here in my state. When the police went for interrogation, Talwars posed arrogant questions like, " Where is the proof " etc. It shows the Talwars did not cooperate with investigation team.

 There are parents who love their children , be it their own or adopted.