Karnataka rationalist Kalburgi killed

RAMAKRISHNAN. A wrote:

Nobody is an atheist or theist. Everyone is a believer. Their beliefs vary but beliefs exist.  When a devastating natural calamity occurs, like an earthquake or cyclone, every person, irrespective of theist or atheist, will depend on an Invisible Power, which he has never seen or believed, and cry for help.  Theists, who believe in a personal God, call that invisible power as God and for their convenience they give it a name and form. Those who believe in an impersonal God believe it as the Universal Consciousness or the Absolute. I don’t know by which name the atheists address that invisible power. 

Each one of us have beliefs and around which our opinions form. A belief is an opinion. It hardly matters what and how it is called.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Believers and atheists are part of the same society. We all solve our day to day issue in same way- whatever be religious belief.  Healthy discussion is okay. But all should refrain from personal attack or insult. Expression of throughts and insulting differ. I may also add that atheism is not alien to Hindu religion. There are some philosophies including 'Sankhya' which are atheist.  Vir Savarkar called himself 'Hindu atheist'. 

I agree with you. Let there be healthy discussion without friction and personal abusal.

Rationalists are a threatened species in almost all countries. They are seen as non confirmists and this provokes the large number of confirmists who see them as challenging their dearly held beliefs. As they cannot reason it out so they brazen them to the extent of killing them. Rationalists have to pay a heavy price for their well reasoned arguements. Sad but real.

Rationalists are no threatened species everywhere. I already said that Rationalists if they express their views without throwing challenge and provoking ,Rationalists very much a respected species. I'm a member in one of the famous Rationalist groups of AP. I quoted here my experience. My wife is a believer. But we never had any conflicts, Because we live with our beliefs without obstructing the ways of other.

The quantum of threat varies with the effectivity of the rationalists ability to challenge and disturb set beliefs. You and your wife are bound by a holy union and thus tolerate each other amicably. But outsiders do not have such constraints. Rationalists are seen as dangerous only when they dabble in religion otherwise they are seen as harmless. What area is your group involved in.

The reasons for compatibility be it with or people depends on Rationality to use Rationality in a befitting manner.

I am confused with your above post. Kindly clarify pl.

Rationality and people's beliefs on religious beliefs should not clash with each other. Each is a belief. No interference.

So, in effect the rationalist has not been rational enough to judge the mood of the believer which goes to show that there is little difference between believers who can be easily swayed and the so called rationalist who makes rash or unsound judgment . They go overboard with their own belief and go to any length to prove they are right  which makes them equally intolerant , that's where the clash comes between them and the hard core believers who are intolerant anyway ..

 why a rationalist should endeavor to judge the believers  or to that matter anybody? There is no necessity. A rationalist  who has such thoughts is not a Rationalist. A Rationalist simply expresses his beliefs. He neither try to convince or force others.

So in effect there is no difference between the two since  both are believers who are rigid regarding their belief as to what is right and what is wrong !

It is obvious. It's wise to not cross the paths of each other.

The tolerant is highly intolerant of the intolerant. The intolerant in turn is intolerant of the tolerant. So both are driving the same boat but from different ends. 

Please express in a clear and lucid way. expressing in riddles will confuse.

Basically people cannot be totally rational because of many other  factors and to call oneself perfect and blame another for his or her belief seems immature and not at all rational for someone who call themselves rational. They become far too judgmental forgetting that they are treading the same path as the believers . If you are firm about your belief practice it instead of shouting from the rooftop and advertising it,,

Rationalists have their own beliefs like the believers. I'm a rationalist but I never indulge in mudslinging  or derogatory views. I'm not speaking for others . I'm speaking for me and I'm proud of calling myself as a Rationalist. Additionally my close relatives and friends respect me even though I'm a Rationalist because my rationalistic views are never discussed with them

Rationalists and Believers are just two ‘titles’, where people follow two different beliefs as per their conscience. Both of them have freedom for expressing their own views, without hurting the sentiments of others. Only the titles and ideologies differ; the ‘man’ within them is the same.

True. Go on with your respective beliefs without encroaching others peripheries.

rambabu wrote:

Rationalists have their own beliefs like the believers. I'm a rationalist but I never indulge in mudslinging  or derogatory views. I'm not speaking for others . I'm speaking for me and I'm proud of calling myself as a Rationalist. Additionally my close relatives and friends respect me even though I'm a Rationalist because my rationalistic views are never discussed with them

 

I am sure there are many like you who feel they are committed ..and at the same time the top leaders tend to become arrogant and start hitting out at all just because they think they know all ! One need not have to put a board and say one is a rationalist but actions are enough to show whether they really are rationalists or just trying hard to be one ... Prof H Narasimhaiya was my principal at National College in Bangalore and was loved by all because of his forthright views and he was extremely fair without any religious bias ! I feel the present day lot  of rationalists cannot be compared to him in any way ..He was instrumental in targetting Satya Sai Baba of Puttaparthi !

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