Karnataka rationalist Kalburgi killed

It is expected.  Not only  Prof. Kalburgi, many rationalists and whistle blowers who exposed the atrocities of religious fundamentalists met with the same fate.

According to local newspapers the killing may have been due to property related matters but since he was a rationalist people tend to jump to conclusions and point fingers at this one and that ...However, he was the kind who regularly made very inflamatory statements along with another writer Anantha Moorthy who  once peed on Hindu gods statues and claimed nothing happened to him...I guess such actions are not in good taste and dignified especially given his stature as a great writer who had won the Jnanapith award ...It is because Hindus are a tolerant lot  that he could get away with such things ! If it was some other religion, I can imagine what would have happened, the then government would have made a great hue and cry more than anyone else !

usha manohar wrote:

According to local newspapers the killing may have been due to property related matters but since he was a rationalist people tend to jump to conclusions and point fingers at this one and that ...However, he was the kind who regularly made very inflamatory statements along with another writer Anantha Moorthy who  once peed on Hindu gods statues and claimed nothing happened to him...I guess such actions are not in good taste and dignified especially given his stature as a great writer who had won the Jnanapith award ...It is because Hindus are a tolerant lot  that he could get away with such things ! If it was some other religion, I can imagine what would have happened, the then government would have made a great hue and cry more than anyone else !

 

I don't have full information. I just read in Google news and Facebook comments. Personally, I am a rationalist and atheist. However I don't approve insulting any religious groupor beliefs. It is okay to give your views fearlessly but without causing any insult. Peeing or spitting on statues is bad and not appreciated even if you don't believe in statue worship.  

ANY how, I do not subscribe to the fact that Rationalists indulging in delivering inflammatory speeches and rousing the public against anybody. I know Rationalists in AP like GORA never indulged in such inflammatory speeches or provoked the people. They simply express their opinions about the existence or non existence  of God.

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

According to local newspapers the killing may have been due to property related matters but since he was a rationalist people tend to jump to conclusions and point fingers at this one and that ...However, he was the kind who regularly made very inflamatory statements along with another writer Anantha Moorthy who  once peed on Hindu gods statues and claimed nothing happened to him...I guess such actions are not in good taste and dignified especially given his stature as a great writer who had won the Jnanapith award ...It is because Hindus are a tolerant lot  that he could get away with such things ! If it was some other religion, I can imagine what would have happened, the then government would have made a great hue and cry more than anyone else !

 

I don't have full information. I just read in Google news and Facebook comments. Personally, I am a rationalist and atheist. However I don't approve insulting any religious groupor beliefs. It is okay to give your views fearlessly but without causing any insult. Peeing or spitting on statues is bad and not appreciated even if you don't believe in statue worship.  

 

Some Aethists and so called Rationalists tend to think that they are a cut above the rest and are great intellects which theycertainly are not - the only difference between them and those who believe is just that ! One believes and the other doesn't believe ! I have seen them speaking in derogatory terms about religion mostly about Hinduism simply because Hindus put up with their nonsense !

As I said earlier all Rationalists do not  indulge in inflammatory or derogatory speeches. They are supposed to put forward their opinions only. That's all nothing more.

I fail to understand why it is repeatedly stated that Hindus are  tolerant and they put up with nonsense. This sentiment betrays a lack of understanding of Hinduism. It is a way of life as the great philosopher Dr Radhakrishnan said. Hinduism is not strictly a religion as Islam or Christainity are because it was not founded by anyone and has evolved over many centuries and keeps evolving. It is not a dogmatic religion and is not stationery in nature. It absorbs various schools of thought from its practitioners and non practitioners alike. Dialog and debate are its essence. However many persons feel that it is in competition with Islam and Christainity, which it is not. Freedom of expression even if it is against itself is not unknown in Hinduism. Therefore this patronising attitude that if they criticise other religions is not justified. Yes I agree that one has to respect the sentiments of followers and not express one's views in a derogatory manner like insulting symbols of Hinduism as it hurts the feeling of the tolerant faithful.

Is it a sacrilege to have patriotic attitude ? If it is a Sacrilege pray clarify what should be the right attitude?

rambabu wrote:

As I said earlier all Rationalists do not  indulge in inflammatory or derogatory speeches. They are supposed to put forward their opinions only. That's all nothing more.

 

You can speak for yourself and may be a few people you know of but you cannot speak for everybody.....What is true in your town may not be true in other places so there is no point in taking the high ground !

I agree. I  being a rationalist I attended many of the AP Rationalist meets.  Never did they utter any derogatory statements. Additionally did you ever see me  making derogatory statements ?

And why should anyone think that Atheists have no faith? They certainly have the faith that God does not exist but the doubt about their own faith makes them think, "Maybe the God exists and that is one reason they keep negating the existence of God as it reassures them from inside although not fully.

You are mistaken. Atheists have  fixed opinions on the existence or non existence of God. And they stick to them without inflammatory  and derogatory statements.That is the very essence Atheism. If it is otherwise, these people are not Atheists. But Opportunists or Fence sitters.

rambabu wrote:

You are mistaken. Atheists have  fixed opinions on the existence or non existence of God. And they stick to them without inflammatory  and derogatory statements.That is the very essence Atheism. If it is otherwise, these people are not Atheists. But Opportunists or Fence sitters.

 

And your favorite Huffingtonposts says a new religion into making 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/atheist-church/

 

suni51 wrote:

rambabu wrote:

You are mistaken. Atheists have  fixed opinions on the existence or non existence of God. And they stick to them without inflammatory  and derogatory statements.That is the very essence Atheism. If it is otherwise, these people are not Atheists. But Opportunists or Fence sitters.

 

And your favorite Huffingtonposts says a new religion into making 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/atheist-church/

So ? Huffing ton post is my favorite as far as news and reliability is concerned. It doesn't mean I favor everything that's in the Huffing ton post.

My views on atheism is not that easy to change.

 

 

The main difference between atheists and the believers is that of inherited beliefs.  The Hindus, Muslims, Christians have ready made thoughts/ beliefs and they need not apply their mind. The atheists are not a separate community. They also belong to rel;igious communities but think independently and arrive at more rational beliefs and arrive at conclusion about God etc independently.

The atheists/ rationalists are usually not stubborn. But the belivers treat their faith as very sacred and a sort of possession. They are easily hurt.

The fundamentalists in Karnataka have again threatened of more murder of rationalists.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/kalburgi-murder-bajrang-dal-leader-says-another-rationalist-prof-bhagwan-next/article1-1385772.aspx

It is the rant on twitter of Bhuvith Shetty who I know, is from near here at Bantwal, no one needs to take him seriously because he makes more noise and showing of his rage more than anything else  and probably wants to be known - does not mean that Kalburgi was killed by religious groups there is also some property dispute !

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-kannada-writer-mm-kalburgi-shot-dead-in-dharwad-karnataka-2120040

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

The main difference between atheists and the believers is that of inherited beliefs.  The Hindus, Muslims, Christians have ready made thoughts/ beliefs and they need not apply their mind. The atheists are not a separate community. They also belong to rel;igious communities but think independently and arrive at more rational beliefs and arrive at conclusion about God etc independently.

The atheists/ rationalists are usually not stubborn. But the belivers treat their faith as very sacred and a sort of possession. They are easily hurt.

The fundamentalists in Karnataka have again threatened of more murder of rationalists.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/kalburgi-murder-bajrang-dal-leader-says-another-rationalist-prof-bhagwan-next/article1-1385772.aspx

True atheists are straight forward in expressing their views. In this process they will not bother to convince anybody.

 

A true Rationalist is one who questions and tries to find a valid explanation for everything regardless of religion! But most Rationalists in my opinion are fake ...Just taking the example of UR Anatamurthy whose pet hobby was to put down Hinduism and its Believers ...The same man hit the roof protesting when a a statue of Mary was vandalised by Sree Ram sena activists in Mangalore, simply because his wife Esther was/is a devout Catholic from Mangalore ! Talk about double standards and he is considered a demi god by  the state rationalist society or whatever they call themselves ..One can see how rational these so called rationalists are ! 

http://www.niticentral.com/2014/06/22/ur-ananthamurthy-should-leave-peoples-faith-alone-232055.html

Nobody is an atheist or theist. Everyone is a believer. Their beliefs vary but beliefs exist.  When a devastating natural calamity occurs, like an earthquake or cyclone, every person, irrespective of theist or atheist, will depend on an Invisible Power, which he has never seen or believed, and cry for help.  Theists, who believe in a personal God, call that invisible power as God and for their convenience they give it a name and form. Those who believe in an impersonal God believe it as the Universal Consciousness or the Absolute. I don’t know by which name the atheists address that invisible power. 

I cAn tell you, Mother Nature controls everything but it is your choice you call her by any name , the super power , God or whatever you prefer.