The Tajmahal is Tejomahalay .

rambabu wrote:

The link Usha has given  thrown light on the persecution of Hindus by Muslim rulers. It is not a consolation if the Muslim rulers gave us architectural wonders. Demolishing Hindu structures and building architectural structures is only to glorify the Muslim rulers.

 

At that period of time they were the rulers and glorified themselves and we should be thankful that British came here by hook or crook and unified us ...n doubt we lost part of our country to Pakistan and Bangla Desh but at least the rest of it stays united !

usha manohar wrote:

rambabu wrote:

The link Usha has given  thrown light on the persecution of Hindus by Muslim rulers. It is not a consolation if the Muslim rulers gave us architectural wonders. Demolishing Hindu structures and building architectural structures is only to glorify the Muslim rulers.

 

At that period of time they were the rulers and glorified themselves and we should be thankful that British came here by hook or crook and unified us ...n doubt we lost part of our country to Pakistan and Bangla Desh but at least the rest of it stays united !

 

True.  Thankfully we could save a big chunk of the country even after losing a part of the Pak and Bangla desh.

The Mughals were very good at record keeping and many of these are available in archives. Some of their land records were oriented in form of a book by a famous historians a few years back. So if Taj Mahal was built on a Hindu temple or an existing one was converted etc would have been recorded. In fact almost everything about it is known, the architect, thee expenses, number of years and workers it took to build etc. Also every time this issue crops up it becomes a slinging match against the Muslims. There was no India till 1858 when the British took over. This fact is conveniently forgotten. Present India consisted of hundreds of kingdoms of all sizes. And invading each others kingdom was an accepted way of enriching because land was the means of production. A powerful invader came and conquered maximum kingdoms and built a big empire. It was natural that they would give preference to boost their religion and not Hinduism. @Rambabu is almost throwing a challenge to prove that Taj was not a Hindu structure. After so many years who can do so. Can Rambabu prove whether God exists with proof. Raking up such issues like about Taj again in the Forum does not result in new knowledge.

Why I should I prove when  I didn't say that God exists ? And about the up keeping of records by the Mughals you should see the link provided by me in the thread.

I have gone through the link and am thoroughly confused. Why Tejomahalay  does not find mention and write up in any of Hindu literature of that period is worthy of investigation. Not only you or me or anyone can prove with proof that god exists. Equally it is impossible to prove that god does not exist. Taj story is to be taken as either.

Since you are confused, let's leave it to investigators the Taj issue .And let's not discuss about the existence of god too. Let peace and tranquility prevail.

You are right, if one discusses god peace and tranquillity get disturbed.

I know such topics are bound to generate heat. Why invite turbulence  ? Let the discussion be stopped at some point.

This is an interesting link, thankfully not written by any " Saffron brigade" but an american artiste that  has several points discussed about the issue ..

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/was_the_taj_mahal_a_vedic_temple.htm

Than you very very much for this vital information. After seeing this link I felt how blindly we are discussing about the issue. The most interesting part of the article is about the orientation of the Mosque.

the direction of the mosque does not point toward Mecca as most mosques do; the real purpose of the minarets at the Taj; the Hindu symbolism recognized in the Taj which would not have been allowed if it was truly Muslim built; and even as late as 1910 the Encyclopaedia Britannica included the statement by Fergusson that the building was previously a palace before becoming a tomb for Shah Jahan; and more. A most interesting paper.

rambabu wrote:

Than you very very much for this vital information. After seeing this link I felt how blindly we are discussing about the issue. The most interesting part of the article is about the orientation of the Mosque.

the direction of the mosque does not point toward Mecca as most mosques do; the real purpose of the minarets at the Taj; the Hindu symbolism recognized in the Taj which would not have been allowed if it was truly Muslim built; and even as late as 1910 the Encyclopaedia Britannica included the statement by Fergusson that the building was previously a palace before becoming a tomb for Shah Jahan; and more. A most interesting paper.

 

Yes there are quite a few such references which are made by a learned person not baseless allegations of a so called saffron brigade ..

It seems the word " saffron brigade" has become a trend to those who cannot face the Reality.

usha manohar wrote:

This is an interesting link, thankfully not written by any " Saffron brigade" but an american artiste that  has several points discussed about the issue ..

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/was_the_taj_mahal_a_vedic_temple.htm

 

Now that an American has written and endorsed it, there should no trouble for for many of us to accept the true origins of Taj Mahal. He has clearly enunciated the facts and truth about India and its glorious past which many of us find it so hard to accept here:

It is because of the manipulation of history by invaders that the true greatness of India and Vedic culture has been stifled or hidden. And it is time that people everywhere realize how numerous lies and false propaganda have been passed around as if it were the truth in regard to India and its past, as well as its art, archeology, and the wonder of its culture. India and its Vedic society was one of the preeminent civilizations of the world, as I explained in "Proof of Vedic Culture's Global Existence." Now, through the increasing amount of revealing evidence that is being uncovered, that greatness of India's past and its contributions to the world are gradually being recognized. It is because of this that it is now time to rewrite the history of India.

The good thing is that no body can say that the History is created by  Saffron brigade. Now none can challenge this proof that before Taj there was a Shiva temple.. It's not all  the claim was supported by a plethora of photos and paintings..

We can't accept something just because some non Indian endorses this.  You can find some supporter or opponent of everything everywhere. So we don't go by what somebody in America or England may say. There is a proverb-  There are not only horses but also donkeys in Kabul. As regards Taj Mahal, .this will remain as we all know a building constructed in memory of Mughal empress Mumtaj Mahal. As I stated elsewhere,  it is the same Earth that has accommodated various constructions. It can't be said that every building was constructed on an entirely virgin land.  Buildings are made, demolished or decay and new ones are erected. It makes no sense to dig issues like what was made where and when replaced with something else. If Tejomahal or what you call is considered right, will you dig history of that spot and make a .list of all buildings that would have been made at the spot time to time. 

@ Gulshan, my statement that since an American has said it, will now be accepted by many in satirical view. Also, we know you have always been sceptical of history and have always dismissed it as nothing but rubbish. Like I said earlier, each one to his or her own beliefs. You stick to yours and we will stick to ours. If anyone wants to believe in the load of rubbish that congress propagated, they are welcome to do so. Those who wish to believe otherwise, will do so!

The question of digging will not arise as the proof is available. For every structure be it Mandir or Masjid, there are certain norms according to which the structures are built. For example in case of Masjid even a staunch Muslim agrees that it should face towards Mecca. This is just an example. There are plethora of such solid proofs that Taj was a Hindu Shiva temple in the given link.

It's a different thing if anybody negatives. But the truth remains unaltered.

rambabu wrote:

The question of digging will not arise as the proof is available. For every structure be it Mandir or Masjid, there are certain norms according to which the structures are built. For example in case of Masjid even a staunch Muslim agrees that it should face towards Mecca. This is just an example. There are plethora of such solid proofs that Taj was a Hindu Shiva temple in the given link.

It's a different thing if anybody negatives. But the truth remains unaltered.

 

Can you identify any building on site of which no other building could or was constructed some time in past.  On every site, numerous buildings have been constructed from time to time. There could be not only Tejo Mahalaya or what but many may be even hundreds of constructions on the site on which presently Taj Mahal is situated.  As Muslim rulers came to India later, it is obvious that whichever site they occupied or lived in or constructed would have been occupied by Hindus only before their arrival. It is the same stage on which different performers appear time to time. In fact, Earth is like a train and every point on it is like a berth occupied by different persons from time to time. It is futile to think of what was there on site of any building before its construction. Incidentally, the issue is subjudice in an Agra court

 

We just need to see the motive of the saffron history makers. Their only aim is to generate communal hatred by airing such stories. They claim that every building is original Hindu building- be this Babnri mosque at Ayodhya or some buildings in Mathura, Benaras and elsewhere. The story on Taj Mahal is just a link in the chain. . 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

The question of digging will not arise as the proof is available. For every structure be it Mandir or Masjid, there are certain norms according to which the structures are built. For example in case of Masjid even a staunch Muslim agrees that it should face towards Mecca. This is just an example. There are plethora of such solid proofs that Taj was a Hindu Shiva temple in the given link.

It's a different thing if anybody negatives. But the truth remains unaltered.

 

Can you identify any building on site of which no other building could or was constructed some time in past.  On every site, numerous buildings have been constructed from time to time. There could be not only Tejo Mahalaya or what but many may be even hundreds of constructions on the site on which presently Taj Mahal is situated.  As Muslim rulers came to India later, it is obvious that whichever site they occupied or lived in or constructed would have been occupied by Hindus only before their arrival. It is the same stage on which different performers appear time to time.

 

We just need to see the motive of the saffron history makers. Their only aim is to generate communal hatred by airing such stories. They claim that every building is original Hindu building- be this Babnri mosque at Ayodhtya or some buildings in Mathura, Benaras and elsewhere. The story on Taj Mahal is just a link in the chain.

 

Motive is very clear.. It is motive to demolish the History . And I sincerely feel that saffron  brigade or whoever you say are responsible is simply a biased allegation. Do you think Indian History is written only by Saffron brigade ? Indian History is written by many Historians. It's not a One man's creation.. With the changing times and technological development many equipments came out to find out the truth even centuries ago buried under the earth.

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

The question of digging will not arise as the proof is available. For every structure be it Mandir or Masjid, there are certain norms according to which the structures are built. For example in case of Masjid even a staunch Muslim agrees that it should face towards Mecca. This is just an example. There are plethora of such solid proofs that Taj was a Hindu Shiva temple in the given link.

It's a different thing if anybody negatives. But the truth remains unaltered.

 

Can you identify any building on site of which no other building could or was constructed some time in past.  On every site, numerous buildings have been constructed from time to time. There could be not only Tejo Mahalaya or what but many may be even hundreds of constructions on the site on which presently Taj Mahal is situated.  As Muslim rulers came to India later, it is obvious that whichever site they occupied or lived in or constructed would have been occupied by Hindus only before their arrival. It is the same stage on which different performers appear time to time. In fact, Earth is like a train and every point on it is like a berth occupied by different persons from time to time. It is futile to think of what was there on site of any building before its construction. Incidentally, the issue is subjudice in an Agra court

 

We just need to see the motive of the saffron history makers. Their only aim is to generate communal hatred by airing such stories. They claim that every building is original Hindu building- be this Babnri mosque at Ayodhya or some buildings in Mathura, Benaras and elsewhere. The story on Taj Mahal is just a link in the chain. . 

 

It is not just a claim but the truth since India was a predominantly Hindu country before the Mughals invaded it...But at the same time a truth cannot generate communal hatred , but it is varnishing the truth by some to suit their so called secular purpose that generates communal hatred.If only these so called secular(communal) people accepted the truth there would be no tension, communal or otherwise ...