Rewriting national anthem

I too feel that there is absolutely no need to change since it can be interpreted in any way depending on the changed circumstances in our country... Kalyan Singh should concentrate on issues that really concern the country rather than go into such trivialities 

Why, what's itching Kalyan Singh of BJP ? This is the reward paid to the Noble Laureate who has forsaken his knighthood  as a protest against Btits?

Now we had a lot of nonsense from these raw headed, thick skulled politicians. Enough is enough.

This is long lasting demand and I remember Gulshan Ji also said in a thread that our National Anthem is nothing but praise of British Emperor so if a few words are changed there is no harm.

The BJP demands removal of "Adhinayak" from the national anthem. The word Adhinayak means, the big lord. It can be interpreted in the present scenario as the lord who controls the world. Then it was interpreted as George VI which is no mre relevant. Demand for removal of ADHINAYAK is not justified.

Why should we associate everything with BJP and there is no dictionary that says Adhinayak means Big Lord but it means Big Boss or Dictator. So what is the harm if the word which reminds us of slavery days is replaced by a more relevant word?

 First thingsfirst. The demand came from BJP. let me clarify, what if the meaning of Adhinayak means Boss ? Spiritually in Hinduism we call god as lord,like lord Jagannadh . If lord Jaganadh is wrong,yes, Adhinak is also wrong. Secondly why we talk about a matter which at present is unnecessary when there are other burning problems plaguing the country ?

rambabu wrote:

 First thingsfirst. The demand came from BJP. let me clarify, what if the meaning of Adhinayak means Boss ? Spiritually in Hinduism we call god as lord,like lord Jagannadh . If lord Jaganadh is wrong,yes, Adhinak is also wrong. Secondly why we talk about a matter which at present is unnecessary when there are other burning problems plaguing the country ?

अधिनायक clearly and literally means a dictator and there is no way the word is used for Lord Jagannath or any other Lord.

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

rambabu wrote:

 First thingsfirst. The demand came from BJP. let me clarify, what if the meaning of Adhinayak means Boss ? Spiritually in Hinduism we call god as lord,like lord Jagannadh . If lord Jaganadh is wrong,yes, Adhinak is also wrong. Secondly why we talk about a matter which at present is unnecessary when there are other burning problems plaguing the country ?

अधिनायक clearly and literally means a dictator and there is no way the word is used for Lord Jagannath or any other Lord.

 

Thank you Kalyani for the clarification. What I wanted to impress upon you is why this issue brought now when there are other pressing problems like BJP's silence on Lalit Modi issue.

rambabu wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

rambabu wrote:

 First thingsfirst. The demand came from BJP. let me clarify, what if the meaning of Adhinayak means Boss ? Spiritually in Hinduism we call god as lord,like lord Jagannadh . If lord Jaganadh is wrong,yes, Adhinak is also wrong. Secondly why we talk about a matter which at present is unnecessary when there are other burning problems plaguing the country ?

अधिनायक clearly and literally means a dictator and there is no way the word is used for Lord Jagannath or any other Lord.

 

Thank you Kalyani for the clarification. What I wanted to impress upon you is why this issue brought now when there are other pressing problems like BJP's silence on Lalit Modi issue.

To be honest, if we consider the complicity of Lalit Modi issue, it is not very important at all. For starters, we need to raise and question issue of prominent congress leaders who allowed Anderson, the chief accused of Bhopal Gas Tragedy to escape the country overnight and never brought back. Anderson is now dead and nothing can be done about it, but the people who allowed it happen should be brought to justice. There is no relation between two cases but people who demand BJP's action against Lalit Modi should realise hypocrisy of their thoughts and understand that cricket is not greater than people's lives. So why are people who demand BJP break silence not speaking about more graver issues??

rambabu wrote:

 First thingsfirst. The demand came from BJP. let me clarify, what if the meaning of Adhinayak means Boss ? Spiritually in Hinduism we call god as lord,like lord Jagannadh . If lord Jaganadh is wrong,yes, Adhinak is also wrong. Secondly why we talk about a matter which at present is unnecessary when there are other burning problems plaguing the country ?

 

You said it, we used to call Lord to every British that came and ruled over us. We are no more slaves of British so we can safely remove Adhinayak (and yes, also Sindh as the state of Sindh has gone to Pakistan- not necessary though) Let's be a little more practical.

suni51 wrote:

rambabu wrote:

 First thingsfirst. The demand came from BJP. let me clarify, what if the meaning of Adhinayak means Boss ? Spiritually in Hinduism we call god as lord,like lord Jagannadh . If lord Jaganadh is wrong,yes, Adhinak is also wrong. Secondly why we talk about a matter which at present is unnecessary when there are other burning problems plaguing the country ?

 

You said it, we used to call Lord to every British that came and ruled over us. We are no more slaves of British so we can safely remove Adhinayak (and yes, also Sindh as the state of Sindh has gone to Pakistan- not necessary though) Let's be a little more practical.

 

OK Sunil, I'm convinced. In the earlier thread Kalyani too gave an apt reply. I'm indebted to both of you.

Please read my post on Boddunan at https://www.boddunan.com/articles/miscellaneous/57-stories-a-tales/24357-the-national-anthem-by-tagore-was-in-reality-a-paen-to-king-george-on-his-visit-to-india.html

The national Anthem was written by Tagore as a paen  for King George and his consort Queen Mary on their visit to india. The All India archives mentions it. What are we discussing?

Once it has been accepted , it cannot be changed

rambabu wrote:

The BJP demands removal of "Adhinayak" from the national anthem. The word Adhinayak means, the big lord. It can be interpreted in the present scenario as the lord who controls the world. Then it was interpreted as George VI which is no mre relevant. Demand for removal of ADHINAYAK is not justified.

 

It was not " interpreted " for King George. It WAS for him and was sung at the 1911 session of the Congress party at Calcutta  specially called to welcome King George and Queen Mary to India and also to thank him for the annulment of the partition of Bengal.

No change is called for now.

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

The BJP demands removal of "Adhinayak" from the national anthem. The word Adhinayak means, the big lord. It can be interpreted in the present scenario as the lord who controls the world. Then it was interpreted as George VI which is no mre relevant. Demand for removal of ADHINAYAK is not justified.

 

It was not " interpreted " for King George. It WAS for him and was sung at the 1911 session of the Congress party at Calcutta  specially called to welcome King George and Queen Mary to India and also to thank him for the annulment of the partition of Bengal.

No change is called for now.

 

I repeat my request to not to write two posts in a row. It is against rules of the Boddunan forums. Thanks.

 

Personal apeeches of any leader- Congress or BJP cannot change the national anthem. I feel that national anthem should have been one associated with freedom movement.  The songs related to freedom struggle are- Rang de basanti chola,  vande mataram etc. Jana Gana mana is not connected with freedomn struggle.  However, once accepted, this needs no change. 

If Kalyan singh is really serious about the change in language of the national anthem, he shold follow some procedure. He needs send a proposal to Union Government that will have to be debated in parliament before giing practical shape. 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

Personal apeeches of any leader- Congress or BJP cannot change the national anthem. I feel that national anthem should have been one associated with freedom movement.  The songs related to freedom struggle are- Rang de basanti chola,  vande mataram etc. Jana Gana mana is not connected with freedomn struggle.  However, once accepted, this needs no change. 

If Kalyan singh is really serious about the change in language of the national anthem, he shold follow some procedure. He needs send a proposal to Union Government that will have to be debated in parliament before giing practical shape. 

 

 

Appropriate suggestion. After following the norms, like you said, a discussion in the parliament with valid reasons for the change is an acceptable democratic procedure.

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

Personal apeeches of any leader- Congress or BJP cannot change the national anthem. I feel that national anthem should have been one associated with freedom movement.  The songs related to freedom struggle are- Rang de basanti chola,  vande mataram etc. Jana Gana mana is not connected with freedomn struggle.  However, once accepted, this needs no change. 

If Kalyan singh is really serious about the change in language of the national anthem, he shold follow some procedure. He needs send a proposal to Union Government that will have to be debated in parliament before giing practical shape. 

 

 

Appropriate suggestion. After following the norms, like you said, a discussion in the parliament with valid reasons for the change is an acceptable democratic procedure.

 Do you think that there will be a proper discussion in the parliament on such an issue. As the members of parliament who are in opposition shout on every step of government whether it is a good step for public, we have seen what happened to land acquisition bill and GST bill.  

Manoj Kumar Lamba wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

Personal apeeches of any leader- Congress or BJP cannot change the national anthem. I feel that national anthem should have been one associated with freedom movement.  The songs related to freedom struggle are- Rang de basanti chola,  vande mataram etc. Jana Gana mana is not connected with freedomn struggle.  However, once accepted, this needs no change. 

If Kalyan singh is really serious about the change in language of the national anthem, he shold follow some procedure. He needs send a proposal to Union Government that will have to be debated in parliament before giing practical shape. 

 

 

Appropriate suggestion. After following the norms, like you said, a discussion in the parliament with valid reasons for the change is an acceptable democratic procedure.

 Do you think that there will be a proper discussion in the parliament on such an issue. As the members of parliament who are in opposition shout on every step of government whether it is a good step for public, we have seen what happened to land acquisition bill and GST bill.  

 

Proper discussion may be or may not be there, but, the procedures must be followed. I think, with valid reasons, if the ruling party convinces ,with majority, such discussions are bound to get approved.

 

Manoj Kumar Lamba wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

Personal apeeches of any leader- Congress or BJP cannot change the national anthem. I feel that national anthem should have been one associated with freedom movement.  The songs related to freedom struggle are- Rang de basanti chola,  vande mataram etc. Jana Gana mana is not connected with freedomn struggle.  However, once accepted, this needs no change. 

If Kalyan singh is really serious about the change in language of the national anthem, he shold follow some procedure. He needs send a proposal to Union Government that will have to be debated in parliament before giing practical shape. 

 

 

Appropriate suggestion. After following the norms, like you said, a discussion in the parliament with valid reasons for the change is an acceptable democratic procedure.

 Do you think that there will be a proper discussion in the parliament on such an issue. As the members of parliament who are in opposition shout on every step of government whether it is a good step for public, we have seen what happened to land acquisition bill and GST bill.  

 

There is no escape from parliamentary discussion despite undesirable behavior of MPs on some occasions. Land Acqusision Bill and GST Bills have also  to be passed by parliamen only and not by mob in ram Lila Maidan. similarly, change in national anthem can also be by parliamentary procedure only and no other way. 

 

The poet never thought that this poem would one day be declared as the national anthem.However when questions controversies singed him he recorded his anger and pain in a letter and I quote: I should only insult myself if I  cared to answer those who consider me capable of such unbound stupidity as to sing in praise of George the Fourth or Fifth as the Eternal Charioteer leading the pilgrims on their journey through countless ages of the timeless history of mankind". So Great Kalyan Singh and his ardent admirers should go through the entire text of our anthem is a truncated. We may not have learned yet as to how to respect our respectable but that should not be an excuse to indulge in a despicable villification campaign against our Greats!