This happens only in India

These evils of the society were there and will be there. Religion is not the reason in all all such evils. There are other reasons like ignorance, wrong parenting are some of the reasons.

Such rare incidents happen in our society when people forget the meaning of humanity due to their dirty culture and perverted minds. But I think we should not drag Hindu culture in between and enforce all responsibilities on its shoulder.

Beliefs are not  just constricted to Hindu religion. Hindu culture in no way should be blamed for this..

Connecting Hindu religion with a wife being treated as property by a debt ridden man is bizarre. Pandavas losing Draupdi in gambling is an example to be learnt from and not a justification of the practice. Where in Hinduism it is stated that woman is to be treated as a property.

vijay wrote:

Connecting Hindu religion with a wife being treated as property by a debt ridden man is bizarre. Pandavas losing Draupdi in gambling is an example to be learnt from and not a justification of the practice. Where in Hinduism it is stated that woman is to be treated as a property.

 

What is kanya daan?  This means- 'Donating girl'.  At wedding ceremony,  the daughter is 'donated'  (daan).  You donate something or give 'daan'  only of something considerewd 'property'.  The example of Drupadi lost in gamble is also not so bizarre. How could a wife be a bet in gamble if she was not considered property. Nowhere except India, you will find woman considered as property.    

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

vijay wrote:

Connecting Hindu religion with a wife being treated as property by a debt ridden man is bizarre. Pandavas losing Draupdi in gambling is an example to be learnt from and not a justification of the practice. Where in Hinduism it is stated that woman is to be treated as a property.

 

What is kanya daan?  This means- 'Donating girl'.  At wedding ceremony,  the daughter is 'donated'  (daan).  You donate something or give 'daan'  only of something considerewd 'property'.  The example of Drupadi lost in gamble is also not so bizarre. How could a wife be a bet in gamble if she was not considered property. Nowhere except India, you will find woman considered as property.    

 

Sir, societies are changing. Beliefs are changing. These are the days of "Woman' Equality." these plays of Puranas are not relevant to modern times. Now, one has many options to choose his or her way of life. Nothing is mandatory.

 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

vijay wrote:

Connecting Hindu religion with a wife being treated as property by a debt ridden man is bizarre. Pandavas losing Draupdi in gambling is an example to be learnt from and not a justification of the practice. Where in Hinduism it is stated that woman is to be treated as a property.

 

What is kanya daan?  This means- 'Donating girl'.  At wedding ceremony,  the daughter is 'donated'  (daan).  You donate something or give 'daan'  only of something considerewd 'property'.  The example of Drupadi lost in gamble is also not so bizarre. How could a wife be a bet in gamble if she was not considered property. Nowhere except India, you will find woman considered as property.    

 You have mistaken it. 'Kanyadan' doesn't mean donating kanya. It means donating for kanya. In wedding when we gift some money or other gifts to bide is called kanydan.

Manoj Kumar Lamba wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

vijay wrote:

Connecting Hindu religion with a wife being treated as property by a debt ridden man is bizarre. Pandavas losing Draupdi in gambling is an example to be learnt from and not a justification of the practice. Where in Hinduism it is stated that woman is to be treated as a property.

 

What is kanya daan?  This means- 'Donating girl'.  At wedding ceremony,  the daughter is 'donated'  (daan).  You donate something or give 'daan'  only of something considerewd 'property'.  The example of Drupadi lost in gamble is also not so bizarre. How could a wife be a bet in gamble if she was not considered property. Nowhere except India, you will find woman considered as property.    

 You have mistaken it. 'Kanyadan' doesn't mean donating kanya. It means donating for kanya. In wedding when we gift some money or other gifts to bide is called kanydan.

 

Kanya daan  means 'donating girl'.  Please see the link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_wedding

 

 

The pavitra sentiment behind the hindi term kanyadan cannot be captured in simple translation as donating a girl. and then taking shelter in its legal interpretation. In Christian marriages it is said " I take thee as my -----" . By your interpretation one can only take something which belongs to someone. So it is wrong to say that it exists only in India. But times have changed and today it is moving rapidly towards equality between both sexes.

Even in the most tradition bound religions , we are witnessing a change with time. Even in India which is tradion bound , revolutionary changes are taking place. Now there are Anti dowry movements and equal right movements are seen. Hence! Traditional beliefs cannot be said exist only in India.

vijay wrote:

The pavitra sentiment behind the hindi term kanyadan cannot be captured in simple translation as donating a girl. and then taking shelter in its legal interpretation. In Christian marriages it is said " I take thee as my -----" . By your interpretation one can only take something which belongs to someone. So it is wrong to say that it exists only in India. But times have changed and today it is moving rapidly towards equality between both sexes.

I agree. Also in Christian weddings, usually the father of the bride also says I give away...which can be said to be equivalent of our kanyadan. But to address the topic in question, why should this incident be so surprising? We have now started reading accounts of girls being kidnapped from Maharashtra, Chhattisgarh and parts of Bihar and sold to men in Haryana and Rajasthan, where in most cases a single girl is wedded to all brothers in the household, all because of skewed girl to boy ratio. When girls can be bought and sold like some commodity, it is hardly surprising when they are traded for money or a means to pay debt.

Times will not be like this ae we are seeing now. I agree the change in attitude in both sexes is too small now.I came across many instances of girls rebelling against child marriages and demanding  a right for education. These changes certainly indicate change that is slowly and steadily taking place. The same changes are taking place in other spheres too. Many men are willingly coming forward to help their working partners and lending a hand in child upbringing.

A man's attitude towards a woman is gradually melting. Now both are partners in making their lives blissful.

rambabu wrote:

Times will not be like this ae we are seeing now. I agree the change in attitude in both sexes is too small now.I came across many instances of girls rebelling against child marriages and demanding  a right for education. These changes certainly indicate change that is slowly and steadily taking place. The same changes are taking place in other spheres too. Many men are willingly coming forward to help their working partners and lending a hand in child upbringing.

A man's attitude towards a woman is gradually melting. Now both are partners in making their lives blissful.

 

I agree that time is changing. However, the fact remains that woman has a secondary place so far as religious traditiuons are concerned- be these Hindu or Christian or else.  Kanyadaan ceremony signifies that woman is just a sort of property. In Hindu traditions, a girl is considered as 'paraya dhan' (others' property) that has to be transferred to real owner viz. husband some day. The Hindu law interpreter Chanakya advised that a woman must never be free. she is in control of her father in childhood, husband in youth and son in old age. Other religions are also like this.

It is true that women are liberating themselves. The liberalization process also needs freedom from grip of religion.   

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Times will not be like this ae we are seeing now. I agree the change in attitude in both sexes is too small now.I came across many instances of girls rebelling against child marriages and demanding  a right for education. These changes certainly indicate change that is slowly and steadily taking place. The same changes are taking place in other spheres too. Many men are willingly coming forward to help their working partners and lending a hand in child upbringing.

A man's attitude towards a woman is gradually melting. Now both are partners in making their lives blissful.

 

I agree that time is changing. However, the fact remains that woman has a secondary place so far as religious traditiuons are concerned- be these Hindu or Christian or else.  Kanyadaan ceremony signifies that woman is just a sort of property. In Hindu traditions, a girl is considered as 'paraya dhan' (others' property) that has to be transferred to real owner viz. husband some day. The Hindu law interpreter Chanakya advised that a woman must never be free. she is in control of her father in childhood, husband in youth and son in old age. Other religions are also like this.

It is true that women are liberating themselves. The liberalization process also needs freedom from grip of religion.   

 

Absolutely. If a person cannot frees himself from the shackles of Religion, this liberalization process cannot take shape.

 

Absolutely not. The discussion though revolving around religion, stresses on Harms of "Religion based education. "

So. It all  amounts to one factor that, women like earlier days are not slaves to the man but a partner with her husband in the process of carving a Happy life. The question of domination by one sex over the sex is gradually melting away But it has to be more in the years to come.

If anyone thinks this happens in India only, here is an eye opener. The Americans are the master on this art- 

http://www.dailydot.com/crime/pregnancy-fetish-trafficking/