China and ban on ramadan fasting and Burkha

The major difference is in our system of government - ours is a democracy and theirs is now bordering on dictatorship.I feel that one cannot impose things like ban fasting since it is a personal issue. In India many schools in the southern parts , Burqa is banned while attending classes ...As long as we have equality for all regardless of religion , we are moving in the right direction.

@Usha. Democracy is not a bar on doing something good. In France and most of Europe burkqa and sharia is banned and they are better democracies than India. Why, even a Muslim country like Turkey does not permit polygamy.  The question of banning fasting during Ramadan is just a point to prove that Muslim world is scared of China and not bothered about India.

In no democratic country in the world pampering the minorities is seen as much as in India. Of course this was done intentionally by the then ruling parties for their own political benefits bringing the country to the brink of ruins. It's high time to put an end to this malady at the earliest.

Let's stop talking about ban on Burka and anything related to Muslims as that may show India is not a secular country. The so called Numbardars of Secularism will come after you like a cluster of honeybees. 

Ahaha...  I don't want to get bitten by bees.

MG Singh wrote:

@Usha. Democracy is not a bar on doing something good. In France and most of Europe burkqa and sharia is banned and they are better democracies than India. Why, even a Muslim country like Turkey does not permit polygamy.  The question of banning fasting during Ramadan is just a point to prove that Muslim world is scared of China and not bothered about India.

 

I agree..in fact Burkha is banned in Germany, Switzerland too in public places and it is for security reasons more than anything else. I feel that a uniform civil law that is most suitable for our country and its multi culture ,in place will take care of most issues ...

China can do anything as it has no democracy but prime reason for banning there on that mentioned province is rise of fundamentalisms and China wants to enforce force to do away with. 

China has a very vivid picture of it's plans to develop the country. For this it goes to any length to accomplish it's mission.

Well the Chinese have a will and policy. They have even crushed Tibet and the world including the USA can do nothing. What it boils down to is military power. If you have military power then you have a standing. Even the USA controls the world on its military. this fact is unfortunately lost on Indian leadership. No wonder even the Muslim world puts pressure on india . The ban on ramadan fasting right or wrong is a manifestation of Chinese power and Muslim world is quiet.

mohan manohar wrote:

China can do anything as it has no democracy but prime reason for banning there on that mentioned province is rise of fundamentalisms and China wants to enforce force to do away with. 

 

Why do  we keep harping on China has no democracy? The great philosopher Russel wrote" what use is democracy if children are hungry and malnutritioned......" which is the case in India.  The Chinese at least have a clear cut nationalist agenda which we dont have.

rambabu wrote:

China has a very vivid picture of it's plans to develop the country. For this it goes to any length to accomplish it's mission.

 

I agree. give the devil his due

 

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

China has a very vivid picture of it's plans to develop the country. For this it goes to any length to accomplish it's mission.

 

I agree. give the devil his due

 

A country or an individual with Development as Agenda should be a bit ruthless. Else they should  be ready for disappointments and failures

No one can please all.

 

What pleasure a set of humans gets by denying rights of another set of humans is difficult to understand. In democracy the affected can make noise and generally get justice even if it is delayed. In dictatorship they will get bullets. why Indians have low opinion about their country and high opinion about China is difficult to understand. Chinese progress is based on brute force and there is no equitable distribution of generated wealth. Does one conclude that in democratic India there are poor and malnutrition persons and in dictatorial China there are nil. After all the modern city states like Dubai,Sharjah,Qatar are built by exploiting imported labor and paying them subsistence wages. We only look at tall buildings and broad roads and not at human quality of life. Why are the Chinese and Arab states so afraid of democracy if they have achieved super developed states which some of the panelists seem to be swayed by.

Indian democracy is different from norms set for democracy in rest of the world. Anyone who can get 1 vote is free to form a party and contest under his own symbol. That only encourages wrong promises and chaos by opportunists. Once a person becomes a politician (loss or win has no meaning) he becomes the part of the politics and starts taking advantages. We will never become a proper democracy until the number of parties set to 3-4 and no one allowed to contest as independent (which is mother of all evil). Also, we need to set uniform civil law for every citizen of this country which is different from religious faiths one can enjoy within the boundaries of his own home. 

I also believe that fasting for so long hours is very injurious to health. In India, Muslims are not a small minority. They are in large numbers. So their activities like 'Roza' for very long hours cannot be checked. But it is possible to check this in collges, hostels and other such places. You cannot check this in private residences. My early career was in border roads. I remember that one person was reluctant to take mutton as this was not halal. But others persuaded him that such things are not practicable in community living of para military forces. 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

I also believe that fasting for so long hours is very injurious to health. In India, Muslims are not a small minority. They are in large numbers. So their activities like 'Roza' for very long hours cannot be checked. But it is possible to check this in collges, hostels and other such places. You cannot check this in private residences. My early career was in border roads. I remember that one person was reluctant to take mutton as this was not halal. But others persuaded him that such things are not practicable in community living of para military forces. 

 

I agree. Wherever it is not practicable fasting should not be done as it may lead to adverse effects. But in general fasting has it's own advantages.

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

I also believe that fasting for so long hours is very injurious to health. In India, Muslims are not a small minority. They are in large numbers. So their activities like 'Roza' for very long hours cannot be checked. But it is possible to check this in collges, hostels and other such places. You cannot check this in private residences. My early career was in border roads. I remember that one person was reluctant to take mutton as this was not halal. But others persuaded him that such things are not practicable in community living of para military forces. 

 

I agree. Wherever it is not practicable fasting should not be done as it may lead to adverse effects. But in general fasting has it's own advantages.

 

Everything has some limit. Fasting may be okay but fasting for several hours daily for more than a month is certainly not advisable.  All Muslims don't observe roja for fory days. some do this only for first and last days. also elederly and sick do not observe the fast. The diabetic patients also can't observe Roja. 

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

rambabu wrote:

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

I also believe that fasting for so long hours is very injurious to health. In India, Muslims are not a small minority. They are in large numbers. So their activities like 'Roza' for very long hours cannot be checked. But it is possible to check this in collges, hostels and other such places. You cannot check this in private residences. My early career was in border roads. I remember that one person was reluctant to take mutton as this was not halal. But others persuaded him that such things are not practicable in community living of para military forces. 

 

I agree. Wherever it is not practicable fasting should not be done as it may lead to adverse effects. But in general fasting has it's own advantages.

 

Everything has some limit. Fasting may be okay but fasting for several hours daily for more than a month is certainly not advisable.  All Muslims don't observe roja for fory days. some do this only for first and last days. also elederly and sick do not observe the fast. The diabetic patients also can't observe Roja. 

 

Agreed.knowing the limits and limitations is vital.

 

On a lighter note I remember reading a news report a few years back from one of the Malaysian newspapers where they went on to say that there may be shortage of chicken and they may have to import more chicken during the ramadan month from Thailand...so, in effect people consume more proteins during this month and no harm done if they fast during the day..One of my muslim friend claims that generally she ends up putting on weight after fasting all 30 days and breaking the fast after sunset.!!!

Fasting has many health benefits One time fasting has more benefits. I have seen in HYDERABAD, during non muslims too go for Roza food.