Can India Break up?

I agree with Chinmoy..There is lot of truth in his saying" The Indian state is quite and more capable of defending the integrity of the country than ever before."

chinmoymukherjee wrote:

At this point of time I don't see any merit in this question. It is true that there were times,say, some twenty or thirty years down the line that the scenario looked quite bleak and now we are well past it. The Indian state is quite and more capable of defending the integrity of the country than ever before. China and the USA have been at it for quite some time to hard-sell this piece of idle fantasy to no avail . In fact in the late sixties the top US  leadership was convinced that India would break up under the weight of diversity but it took years to learn the hard way that it has been an asset for India - that typical India spirit which continues to act as a glue. Now the question of involvement of the military in civil matters, what is the ratio of such involvement given to India's geographical spread. Countries of far less size of that of a small India state with no cultural or lingual diversity have permanent military presence to keep a semblance of stability. The military might. alone can't ensure integrity of a state as the the break-up of the USSR and Bulgaria would amply demonstrate. After all we have never sent tanks to crush our own people to tackle domestic instability.China would do better to introspect on its own policies and future rather than meddling in the internal matters of India!   

I totally agree with you. In fact military might may and has only proved to further alienate the places that it has been  employed in. We only have to look towards Tripura and Manipur etc. Instead of using more tact and sensitivity, granting special forces to Army there has resulted in those states being more alienated. As far as scholars in China are concerned, they need to look hard and long at their own history and their own conduct towards their people. They should be more worried of their country disintegrating rather than ours.

chinmoymukherjee wrote:Thanks Kalyani and Rambabu! While I don't sense any danger lurking in the horizon I am extremely concerned about rabid ,right-wing , atavistic thinking and actions born out of it to jeopardize our national integrity. By the I inadvertently named Bulgaria for Yugoslavia! Sorry, mates!

True...BUt thankfully for us, the numbers of such people are far less to create any real damage.

Five fingers are not the same in hand and similarly all people cannot be same but still all these fingers create the palm which is made of hand, so India is united, will continue living unitedly no matter what so ever adverse conditions and situation arise. 

Well said. Your comparison with the palm with unity of India is appropriate.

chinmoymukherjee wrote:

At this point of time I don't see any merit in this question. It is true that there were times,say, some twenty or thirty years down the line that the scenario looked quite bleak and now we are well past it. The Indian state is quite and more capable of defending the integrity of the country than ever before. China and the USA have been at it for quite some time to hard-sell this piece of idle fantasy to no avail . In fact in the late sixties the top US  leadership was convinced that India would break up under the weight of diversity but it took years to learn the hard way that it has been an asset for India - that typical India spirit which continues to act as a glue. Now the question of involvement of the military in civil matters, what is the ratio of such involvement given to India's geographical spread. Countries of far less size of that of a small India state with no cultural or lingual diversity have permanent military presence to keep a semblance of stability. The military might. alone can't ensure integrity of a state as the the break-up of the USSR and Bulgaria would amply demonstrate. After all we have never sent tanks to crush our own people to tackle domestic instability.China would do better to introspect on its own policies and future rather than meddling in the internal matters of India!   

The Indians used the Air Force to bombard Aizawl in Mizoram in 1966 and overall APC and latest weapons are used against the separatists. Fighter bombers from Jorhat were used.This is just for info. I suggest before making any comment about NE India and Kashmir a visit there will be a help. These peripheral areas are waiting to break away if there is no army. Now the IAF is going to use MI 17 heligunships( I used to fly them)  against them. The problem is not with India , but only with certain regions like the North east. 

The Chinese report is a research paper. We have also a an Institute of defence Studies and National defence college which give their assessments of China. These are scholarly debates and is not meddling in affairs. so one must study the opinion of teh American and Chinese

As on date the NE states will secede from India if the army is withdrawn. I know I spent a total of 10 years there. Kashmir , particularly the valley is rabid anti Hindu and India

I agree with you  MG Singh  ground realities can be judged only after living in those areas. I have lived in almost every state of North East and know the reality. 

MG Singh wrote:

As on date the NE states will secede from India if the army is withdrawn. I know I spent a total of 10 years there. Kashmir , particularly the valley is rabid anti Hindu and India

 

When that is the case , there are only two options left - ask those who are anti India to leave and go where they want , the other option is to give the entire region away so that they form a nation of their own and realise for themselves how difficult and treacherous the path is...

usha manohar wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

As on date the NE states will secede from India if the army is withdrawn. I know I spent a total of 10 years there. Kashmir , particularly the valley is rabid anti Hindu and India

 

When that is the case , there are only two options left - ask those who are anti India to leave and go where they want , the other option is to give the entire region away so that they form a nation of their own and realise for themselves how difficult and treacherous the path is...

 The problem is China is just waiting around the corner for that to happen, the moment they see signs of it, they will pounce on those regions and they will literally get a foothold inside our doorstep and we cannot allow that to happen! In my opinion, as much as the army is very much essential in those states, what is also equally important is for some very clever and resourceful leaders who will be able to turn the public opinion in favour of India.

MG Singh wrote:

As on date the NE states will secede from India if the army is withdrawn. I know I spent a total of 10 years there. Kashmir , particularly the valley is rabid anti Hindu and India

 

I value your opinion. You are the one who lived as a soldier in the actual conditions.

Anyhow as a common man, out of curiosity, I would like to know what happens if such a situation arises in NE states. We are already living with such conditions with Pakistan's militant activities since independence and we are dealing with them as the conditions dictate. Can

 India not face in a similar way?

@ Usha, Yes you are right. China is holding Tibet by force of arms. Tibet people want to be with India, but Nehru let them down.  The army must remain in NE and be ruthless. That is the only way even if a few civilians are killed as collateral damage. I am a staunch nationalist and want the army to be used and Heli gunships to attack them in jungles.  We cannot withdraw

rambabu wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

As on date the NE states will secede from India if the army is withdrawn. I know I spent a total of 10 years there. Kashmir , particularly the valley is rabid anti Hindu and India

 

I value your opinion. You are the one who lived as a soldier in the actual conditions.

Anyhow as a common man, out of curiosity, I would like to know what happens if such a situation arises in NE states. We are already living with such conditions with Pakistan's militant activities since independence and we are dealing with them as the conditions dictate. Can

 India not face in a similar way?

 

There is a way out, but it cannot be by talking and trying to win the people over. China controls Tibet by the gun and 2 million Tibetans have run away to India. China is not bothered and settling Chinese in Tibet. the problem will go away in 2 decades when Chinese outnumber local Tibetans. We have to act similarly in Kashmir. The valley where all the trouble is just 100 miles long and about 75 miles wide it is easy to neutralize the terror groups and so called mujahideen by force. We should allow Indians from other states to settle there and that requires iron will and abrogation of article 370.

Similarly in the North East the population is very sparse and job easier a ruthless execution like China is required. We must remember to hold on to a empire,  a nation must be ruthless. That is the quality we are lacking.

Believe me at staff college we have carried out studies and these problems of NE and Kashmir can be finished, but political will is lacking.

 

MG Singh wrote:

rambabu wrote:

MG Singh wrote:

As on date the NE states will secede from India if the army is withdrawn. I know I spent a total of 10 years there. Kashmir , particularly the valley is rabid anti Hindu and India

 

I value your opinion. You are the one who lived as a soldier in the actual conditions.

Anyhow as a common man, out of curiosity, I would like to know what happens if such a situation arises in NE states. We are already living with such conditions with Pakistan's militant activities since independence and we are dealing with them as the conditions dictate. Can

 India not face in a similar way?

 

There is a way out, but it cannot be by talking and trying to win the people over. China controls Tibet by the gun and 2 million Tibetans have run away to India. China is not bothered and settling Chinese in Tibet. the problem will go away in 2 decades when Chinese outnumber local Tibetans. We have to act similarly in Kashmir. The valley where all the trouble is just 100 miles long and about 75 miles wide it is easy to neutralize the terror groups and so called mujahideen by force. We should allow Indians from other states to settle there and that requires iron will and abrogation of article 370.

Similarly in the North East the population is very sparse and job easier a ruthless execution like China is required. We must remember to hold on to a empire,  a nation must be ruthless. That is the quality we are lacking.

Believe me at staff college we have carried out studies and these problems of NE and Kashmir can be finished, but political will is lacking.

 

I believe you and support your views. I agree with you. India is very much in need of "Killer instinct" as quoted by Chanakya ages ago. He said, " don't allow the enemy and a loan to remain. Both these should be eradicated without any traces."

Are our leaders in a position to execute this? That remains to be seen.

 

 

Intense discussion out with strong points but most of these points belong to history, as we know we cannot change neighbor and history. For the first time in valley BJP in power, this is positive, AFSA withdrawn from one north eastern state, and central government sooner will announce banning of organization which just attacked army convoy. Strong and determined leadership could possibly provide better life for future generations with stronger motive against secessionist forces. 

Perhaps. It all depends on the strong will of the rulers with a firm determination to end this ever burning problem may help.

This constant waving of Pakistani and now ISIS flag in Pakistan shows either defiance or the militants are getting bolder this inspite of the fact that BJP is also part of the governance...No doubt it is annoying but not making an issue and giving it too much importance is probably the best solution.

Better would be to leave the issue to rulers who know better than a common man.Common man guesses. Most likely these guesses are likely to end up as wild rumours, which do more harm than good.