Mahatma Gandhi said- Ishwar allah Tere naam. Malyasia does not agree. 'Allah' is sacred to Muslims and non Muslims are not authorized to use this word. Let them use some other word Like God.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181
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Mahatma Gandhi said- Ishwar allah Tere naam. Malyasia does not agree. 'Allah' is sacred to Muslims and non Muslims are not authorized to use this word. Let them use some other word Like God.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181
So, now it;s the turn of Malaysia to claim copyright over the word 'Allah' it seems.
Mahatma Gandhi said- Ishwar allah Tere naam. Malyasia does not agree. 'Allah' is sacred to Muslims and non Muslims are not authorized to use this word. Let them use some other word Like God.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181
So, now it;s the turn of Malaysia to claim copyright over the word 'Allah' it seems.
Malaysia has registered the copyright for all Muslims. Others cannot use this. But this decision will affect only those in Malaysia.
Mahatma Gandhi said- Ishwar allah Tere naam. Malyasia does not agree. 'Allah' is sacred to Muslims and non Muslims are not authorized to use this word. Let them use some other word Like God.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181
So, now it;s the turn of Malaysia to claim copyright over the word 'Allah' it seems.
Malaysia has registered the copyright for all Muslims. Others cannot use this. But this decision will affect only those in Malaysia.
So, Indian Muslims are free from this mad decision ?
Mahatma Gandhi said- Ishwar allah Tere naam. Malyasia does not agree. 'Allah' is sacred to Muslims and non Muslims are not authorized to use this word. Let them use some other word Like God.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181
So, now it;s the turn of Malaysia to claim copyright over the word 'Allah' it seems.
Malaysia has registered the copyright for all Muslims. Others cannot use this. But this decision will affect only those in Malaysia.
I don't mind, this is favor to us in disguise, I hope we can do something similar in our country. I think almost similar rules are applicable in our country. Example- a MLA was outcast through a Fatwa just because he chose to thank his voters from outside of a temple in UP. Perhaps he had used word 'Ram' only once during his speech.
Mahatma Gandhi said- Ishwar allah Tere naam. Malyasia does not agree. 'Allah' is sacred to Muslims and non Muslims are not authorized to use this word. Let them use some other word Like God.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181
So, now it;s the turn of Malaysia to claim copyright over the word 'Allah' it seems.
Malaysia has registered the copyright for all Muslims. Others cannot use this. But this decision will affect only those in Malaysia.
So, Indian Muslims are free from this mad decision ?
All Muslims are unaffected as they are entitled to use the term 'allah'. It is non Muslims who are affected. In India, nobody will be affected.
I also agree with Sunil. I believe that all religious should be respected while opposing the harmful traditions and superstitions. Personally I don't agree with Gandhian thought on religion. It is good to live amicably despite difference in religion but it makes no sense to make a cocktail. Allah and Ishwar- this is like Bhature with sambhar. .
Mahatma Gandhi said- Ishwar allah Tere naam. Malyasia does not agree. 'Allah' is sacred to Muslims and non Muslims are not authorized to use this word. Let them use some other word Like God.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181
So, now it;s the turn of Malaysia to claim copyright over the word 'Allah' it seems.
Malaysia has registered the copyright for all Muslims. Others cannot use this. But this decision will affect only those in Malaysia.
So, Indian Muslims are free from this mad decision ?
All Muslims are unaffected as they are entitled to use the term 'allah'. It is non Muslims who are affected. In India, nobody will be affected.
I also agree with Sunil. I believe that all religious should be respected while opposing the harmful traditions and superstitions. Personally I don't agree with Gandhian thought on religion. It is good to live amicably despite difference in religion but it makes no sense to make a cocktail. Allah and Ishwar- this is like Bhature with sambhar. .
Gandhi meant and strived for religious harmony. He never thought of combinations because his thoughts were pure. Where as saying that 'Allah' should be used by Muslims alone shows the sinister monopolistic attitude.
Mahatma Gandhi said- Ishwar allah Tere naam. Malyasia does not agree. 'Allah' is sacred to Muslims and non Muslims are not authorized to use this word. Let them use some other word Like God.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181
So, now it;s the turn of Malaysia to claim copyright over the word 'Allah' it seems.
Malaysia has registered the copyright for all Muslims. Others cannot use this. But this decision will affect only those in Malaysia.
So, Indian Muslims are free from this mad decision ?
All Muslims are unaffected as they are entitled to use the term 'allah'. It is non Muslims who are affected. In India, nobody will be affected.
I also agree with Sunil. I believe that all religious should be respected while opposing the harmful traditions and superstitions. Personally I don't agree with Gandhian thought on religion. It is good to live amicably despite difference in religion but it makes no sense to make a cocktail. Allah and Ishwar- this is like Bhature with sambhar. .
Gandhi meant and strived for religious harmony. He never thought of combinations because his thoughts were pure. Where as saying that 'Allah' should be used by Muslims alone shows the sinister monopolistic attitude.
You can keep chanting whatever you like but they will throw out if any one found saying or praising gods from other religions. This sounds so one sided especially in north. Gandhi is no more relevant for others as far religion is concerned.
Malayasia used to be a very tolerant country until a few years ago with the majority muslim population living in harmony without any communal disturbances etc...After the Jihadis set up shop there, they beh]gan brianwshing the locals systematically and now we can see where that is leading to ...
Mahatma Gandhi said- Ishwar allah Tere naam. Malyasia does not agree. 'Allah' is sacred to Muslims and non Muslims are not authorized to use this word. Let them use some other word Like God.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181
So, now it;s the turn of Malaysia to claim copyright over the word 'Allah' it seems.
Malaysia has registered the copyright for all Muslims. Others cannot use this. But this decision will affect only those in Malaysia.
So, Indian Muslims are free from this mad decision ?
All Muslims are unaffected as they are entitled to use the term 'allah'. It is non Muslims who are affected. In India, nobody will be affected.
I also agree with Sunil. I believe that all religious should be respected while opposing the harmful traditions and superstitions. Personally I don't agree with Gandhian thought on religion. It is good to live amicably despite difference in religion but it makes no sense to make a cocktail. Allah and Ishwar- this is like Bhature with sambhar. .
Gandhi meant and strived for religious harmony. He never thought of combinations because his thoughts were pure. Where as saying that 'Allah' should be used by Muslims alone shows the sinister monopolistic attitude.
You can keep chanting whatever you like but they will throw out if any one found saying or praising gods from other religions. This sounds so one sided especially in north. Gandhi is no more relevant for others as far religion is concerned.
Gandhi's relevance is timeless.inability to understand him is not his fault. If in north India chanting the gods of other religions is not tolerated, its different in South India.This part of the country has immense tolerance towards other religions.
Mahatma Gandhi said- Ishwar allah Tere naam. Malyasia does not agree. 'Allah' is sacred to Muslims and non Muslims are not authorized to use this word. Let them use some other word Like God.I would think one day father of nations should come to this earth once more and will give the response to this diktat.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181
Mahatma Gandhi said- Ishwar allah Tere naam. Malyasia does not agree. 'Allah' is sacred to Muslims and non Muslims are not authorized to use this word. Let them use some other word Like God.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181
So, now it;s the turn of Malaysia to claim copyright over the word 'Allah' it seems.
Malaysia has registered the copyright for all Muslims. Others cannot use this. But this decision will affect only those in Malaysia.
So, Indian Muslims are free from this mad decision ?
All Muslims are unaffected as they are entitled to use the term 'allah'. It is non Muslims who are affected. In India, nobody will be affected.
I also agree with Sunil. I believe that all religious should be respected while opposing the harmful traditions and superstitions. Personally I don't agree with Gandhian thought on religion. It is good to live amicably despite difference in religion but it makes no sense to make a cocktail. Allah and Ishwar- this is like Bhature with sambhar. .
Gandhi meant and strived for religious harmony. He never thought of combinations because his thoughts were pure. Where as saying that 'Allah' should be used by Muslims alone shows the sinister monopolistic attitude.
You can keep chanting whatever you like but they will throw out if any one found saying or praising gods from other religions. This sounds so one sided especially in north. Gandhi is no more relevant for others as far religion is concerned.
Gandhi's relevance is timeless.inability to understand him is not his fault. If in north India chanting the gods of other religions is not tolerated, its different in South India.This part of the country has immense tolerance towards other religions.
I agree but even there it is one sided because what I saw in smaller cities of Karnataka and Andhra is different from what you think. And mind you I said one sided, one side is still adjusting rather liberal, it is the other one that is not so.
Then, it is better to leave respective religious practitioner, nothing wrong with this, religion is personal and if one thinks it is the name of their god then it is should be. Only politicians should not meddle with these matters.Mahatma Gandhi said- Ishwar allah Tere naam. Malyasia does not agree. 'Allah' is sacred to Muslims and non Muslims are not authorized to use this word. Let them use some other word Like God.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181
So, now it;s the turn of Malaysia to claim copyright over the word 'Allah' it seems.
Malaysia has registered the copyright for all Muslims. Others cannot use this. But this decision will affect only those in Malaysia.
So, Indian Muslims are free from this mad decision ?
All Muslims are unaffected as they are entitled to use the term 'allah'. It is non Muslims who are affected. In India, nobody will be affected.
I also agree with Sunil. I believe that all religious should be respected while opposing the harmful traditions and superstitions. Personally I don't agree with Gandhian thought on religion. It is good to live amicably despite difference in religion but it makes no sense to make a cocktail. Allah and Ishwar- this is like Bhature with sambhar. .
Gandhi meant and strived for religious harmony. He never thought of combinations because his thoughts were pure. Where as saying that 'Allah' should be used by Muslims alone shows the sinister monopolistic attitude.
You can keep chanting whatever you like but they will throw out if any one found saying or praising gods from other religions. This sounds so one sided especially in north. Gandhi is no more relevant for others as far religion is concerned.
Gandhi's relevance is timeless.inability to understand him is not his fault. If in north India chanting the gods of other religions is not tolerated, its different in South India.This part of the country has immense tolerance towards other religions.
I agree but even there it is one sided because what I saw in smaller cities of Karnataka and Andhra is different from what you think. And mind you I said one sided, one side is still adjusting rather liberal, it is the other one that is not so.
Then, it is better to leave respective religious practitioner, nothing wrong with this, religion is personal and if one thinks it is the name of their god then it is should be. Only politicians should not meddle with these matters.Mahatma Gandhi said- Ishwar allah Tere naam. Malyasia does not agree. 'Allah' is sacred to Muslims and non Muslims are not authorized to use this word. Let them use some other word Like God.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181
So, now it;s the turn of Malaysia to claim copyright over the word 'Allah' it seems.
Malaysia has registered the copyright for all Muslims. Others cannot use this. But this decision will affect only those in Malaysia.
So, Indian Muslims are free from this mad decision ?
All Muslims are unaffected as they are entitled to use the term 'allah'. It is non Muslims who are affected. In India, nobody will be affected.
I also agree with Sunil. I believe that all religious should be respected while opposing the harmful traditions and superstitions. Personally I don't agree with Gandhian thought on religion. It is good to live amicably despite difference in religion but it makes no sense to make a cocktail. Allah and Ishwar- this is like Bhature with sambhar. .
Gandhi meant and strived for religious harmony. He never thought of combinations because his thoughts were pure. Where as saying that 'Allah' should be used by Muslims alone shows the sinister monopolistic attitude.
You can keep chanting whatever you like but they will throw out if any one found saying or praising gods from other religions. This sounds so one sided especially in north. Gandhi is no more relevant for others as far religion is concerned.
Gandhi's relevance is timeless.inability to understand him is not his fault. If in north India chanting the gods of other religions is not tolerated, its different in South India.This part of the country has immense tolerance towards other religions.
I agree but even there it is one sided because what I saw in smaller cities of Karnataka and Andhra is different from what you think. And mind you I said one sided, one side is still adjusting rather liberal, it is the other one that is not so.
I agree totally with you , why should we insist or interfere with other's religions. let them follow what they like. They have full riht to copyright their own beliefs.
Mahatma Gandhi said- Ishwar allah Tere naam. Malyasia does not agree. 'Allah' is sacred to Muslims and non Muslims are not authorized to use this word. Let them use some other word Like God.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181
So, now it;s the turn of Malaysia to claim copyright over the word 'Allah' it seems.
Malaysia has registered the copyright for all Muslims. Others cannot use this. But this decision will affect only those in Malaysia.
So, Indian Muslims are free from this mad decision ?
All Muslims are unaffected as they are entitled to use the term 'allah'. It is non Muslims who are affected. In India, nobody will be affected.
I also agree with Sunil. I believe that all religious should be respected while opposing the harmful traditions and superstitions. Personally I don't agree with Gandhian thought on religion. It is good to live amicably despite difference in religion but it makes no sense to make a cocktail. Allah and Ishwar- this is like Bhature with sambhar. .
Gandhi meant and strived for religious harmony. He never thought of combinations because his thoughts were pure. Where as saying that 'Allah' should be used by Muslims alone shows the sinister monopolistic attitude.
You can keep chanting whatever you like but they will throw out if any one found saying or praising gods from other religions. This sounds so one sided especially in north. Gandhi is no more relevant for others as far religion is concerned.
Gandhi's relevance is timeless.inability to understand him is not his fault. If in north India chanting the gods of other religions is not tolerated, its different in South India.This part of the country has immense tolerance towards other religions.
I agree but even there it is one sided because what I saw in smaller cities of Karnataka and Andhra is different from what you think. And mind you I said one sided, one side is still adjusting rather liberal, it is the other one that is not so.
One sided is not adjusting. Willingly respecting the other party's religion and its thoughts. in Vizianagaram a Hindu village goddess festival known as. 'Pyditalli festival' will take place on next Tuesday. If you can get a live coverage see it. Its an eye opener to religious fundamentalists, The procession will be inaugurated by the Maharaja, a Hindu. It will be followed by Muslim tableaus all clad in their religious attire. And these processions go through the mosques and temples. Muslims offer hair to the goddess. This is the same in Muharram also.
Now tell me what is your definition of 'One sided" ?
Mahatma Gandhi said- Ishwar allah Tere naam. Malyasia does not agree. 'Allah' is sacred to Muslims and non Muslims are not authorized to use this word. Let them use some other word Like God.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181
So, now it;s the turn of Malaysia to claim copyright over the word 'Allah' it seems.
Malaysia has registered the copyright for all Muslims. Others cannot use this. But this decision will affect only those in Malaysia.
So, Indian Muslims are free from this mad decision ?
All Muslims are unaffected as they are entitled to use the term 'allah'. It is non Muslims who are affected. In India, nobody will be affected.
I also agree with Sunil. I believe that all religious should be respected while opposing the harmful traditions and superstitions. Personally I don't agree with Gandhian thought on religion. It is good to live amicably despite difference in religion but it makes no sense to make a cocktail. Allah and Ishwar- this is like Bhature with sambhar. .
Gandhi meant and strived for religious harmony. He never thought of combinations because his thoughts were pure. Where as saying that 'Allah' should be used by Muslims alone shows the sinister monopolistic attitude.
You can keep chanting whatever you like but they will throw out if any one found saying or praising gods from other religions. This sounds so one sided especially in north. Gandhi is no more relevant for others as far religion is concerned.
Gandhi's relevance is timeless.inability to understand him is not his fault. If in north India chanting the gods of other religions is not tolerated, its different in South India.This part of the country has immense tolerance towards other religions.
I agree but even there it is one sided because what I saw in smaller cities of Karnataka and Andhra is different from what you think. And mind you I said one sided, one side is still adjusting rather liberal, it is the other one that is not so.
One sided is not adjusting. Willingly respecting the other party's religion and its thoughts. in Vizianagaram a Hindu village goddess festival known as. 'Pyditalli festival' will take place on next Tuesday. If you can get a live coverage see it. Its an eye opener to religious fundamentalists, The procession will be inaugurated by the Maharaja, a Hindu. It will be followed by Muslim tableaus all clad in their religious attire. And these processions go through the mosques and temples. Muslims offer hair to the goddess. This is the same in Muharram also.
Now tell me what is your definition of 'One sided" ?
Your world is too small big bro, I give up without making further arguments because this is a public forum. Thanks for understanding.
Mahatma Gandhi said- Ishwar allah Tere naam. Malyasia does not agree. 'Allah' is sacred to Muslims and non Muslims are not authorized to use this word. Let them use some other word Like God.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181
So, now it;s the turn of Malaysia to claim copyright over the word 'Allah' it seems.
Malaysia has registered the copyright for all Muslims. Others cannot use this. But this decision will affect only those in Malaysia.
So, Indian Muslims are free from this mad decision ?
All Muslims are unaffected as they are entitled to use the term 'allah'. It is non Muslims who are affected. In India, nobody will be affected.
I also agree with Sunil. I believe that all religious should be respected while opposing the harmful traditions and superstitions. Personally I don't agree with Gandhian thought on religion. It is good to live amicably despite difference in religion but it makes no sense to make a cocktail. Allah and Ishwar- this is like Bhature with sambhar. .
Gandhi meant and strived for religious harmony. He never thought of combinations because his thoughts were pure. Where as saying that 'Allah' should be used by Muslims alone shows the sinister monopolistic attitude.
You can keep chanting whatever you like but they will throw out if any one found saying or praising gods from other religions. This sounds so one sided especially in north. Gandhi is no more relevant for others as far religion is concerned.
Gandhi's relevance is timeless.inability to understand him is not his fault. If in north India chanting the gods of other religions is not tolerated, its different in South India.This part of the country has immense tolerance towards other religions.
I agree but even there it is one sided because what I saw in smaller cities of Karnataka and Andhra is different from what you think. And mind you I said one sided, one side is still adjusting rather liberal, it is the other one that is not so.
One sided is not adjusting. Willingly respecting the other party's religion and its thoughts. in Vizianagaram a Hindu village goddess festival known as. 'Pyditalli festival' will take place on next Tuesday. If you can get a live coverage see it. Its an eye opener to religious fundamentalists, The procession will be inaugurated by the Maharaja, a Hindu. It will be followed by Muslim tableaus all clad in their religious attire. And these processions go through the mosques and temples. Muslims offer hair to the goddess. This is the same in Muharram also.
Now tell me what is your definition of 'One sided" ?
Your world is too small big bro, I give up without making further arguments because this is a public forum. Thanks for understanding.
You are welcome. We two are entitled to have our own opinions. Public forums are meant to air opinions.
Mahatma Gandhi said- Ishwar allah Tere naam. Malyasia does not agree. 'Allah' is sacred to Muslims and non Muslims are not authorized to use this word. Let them use some other word Like God.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181
So, now it;s the turn of Malaysia to claim copyright over the word 'Allah' it seems.
Malaysia has registered the copyright for all Muslims. Others cannot use this. But this decision will affect only those in Malaysia.
So, Indian Muslims are free from this mad decision ?
All Muslims are unaffected as they are entitled to use the term 'allah'. It is non Muslims who are affected. In India, nobody will be affected.
I also agree with Sunil. I believe that all religious should be respected while opposing the harmful traditions and superstitions. Personally I don't agree with Gandhian thought on religion. It is good to live amicably despite difference in religion but it makes no sense to make a cocktail. Allah and Ishwar- this is like Bhature with sambhar. .
Gandhi meant and strived for religious harmony. He never thought of combinations because his thoughts were pure. Where as saying that 'Allah' should be used by Muslims alone shows the sinister monopolistic attitude.
You can keep chanting whatever you like but they will throw out if any one found saying or praising gods from other religions. This sounds so one sided especially in north. Gandhi is no more relevant for others as far religion is concerned.
Gandhi's relevance is timeless.inability to understand him is not his fault. If in north India chanting the gods of other religions is not tolerated, its different in South India.This part of the country has immense tolerance towards other religions.
I agree but even there it is one sided because what I saw in smaller cities of Karnataka and Andhra is different from what you think. And mind you I said one sided, one side is still adjusting rather liberal, it is the other one that is not so.
One sided is not adjusting. Willingly respecting the other party's religion and its thoughts. in Vizianagaram a Hindu village goddess festival known as. 'Pyditalli festival' will take place on next Tuesday. If you can get a live coverage see it. Its an eye opener to religious fundamentalists, The procession will be inaugurated by the Maharaja, a Hindu. It will be followed by Muslim tableaus all clad in their religious attire. And these processions go through the mosques and temples. Muslims offer hair to the goddess. This is the same in Muharram also.
Now tell me what is your definition of 'One sided" ?
Your world is too small big bro, I give up without making further arguments because this is a public forum. Thanks for understanding.
You are welcome. We two are entitled to have our own opinions. Public forums are meant to air opinions.
Yes it is, but I never used any name of a religion in any of my posts because that is objectionable. It is alright as long as we keep it unnamed.
Mahatma Gandhi said- Ishwar allah Tere naam. Malyasia does not agree. 'Allah' is sacred to Muslims and non Muslims are not authorized to use this word. Let them use some other word Like God.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181
So, now it;s the turn of Malaysia to claim copyright over the word 'Allah' it seems.
Malaysia has registered the copyright for all Muslims. Others cannot use this. But this decision will affect only those in Malaysia.
So, Indian Muslims are free from this mad decision ?
All Muslims are unaffected as they are entitled to use the term 'allah'. It is non Muslims who are affected. In India, nobody will be affected.
I also agree with Sunil. I believe that all religious should be respected while opposing the harmful traditions and superstitions. Personally I don't agree with Gandhian thought on religion. It is good to live amicably despite difference in religion but it makes no sense to make a cocktail. Allah and Ishwar- this is like Bhature with sambhar. .
Gandhi meant and strived for religious harmony. He never thought of combinations because his thoughts were pure. Where as saying that 'Allah' should be used by Muslims alone shows the sinister monopolistic attitude.
You can keep chanting whatever you like but they will throw out if any one found saying or praising gods from other religions. This sounds so one sided especially in north. Gandhi is no more relevant for others as far religion is concerned.
Gandhi's relevance is timeless.inability to understand him is not his fault. If in north India chanting the gods of other religions is not tolerated, its different in South India.This part of the country has immense tolerance towards other religions.
I agree but even there it is one sided because what I saw in smaller cities of Karnataka and Andhra is different from what you think. And mind you I said one sided, one side is still adjusting rather liberal, it is the other one that is not so.
One sided is not adjusting. Willingly respecting the other party's religion and its thoughts. in Vizianagaram a Hindu village goddess festival known as. 'Pyditalli festival' will take place on next Tuesday. If you can get a live coverage see it. Its an eye opener to religious fundamentalists, The procession will be inaugurated by the Maharaja, a Hindu. It will be followed by Muslim tableaus all clad in their religious attire. And these processions go through the mosques and temples. Muslims offer hair to the goddess. This is the same in Muharram also.
Now tell me what is your definition of 'One sided" ?
Your world is too small big bro, I give up without making further arguments because this is a public forum. Thanks for understanding.
You are welcome. We two are entitled to have our own opinions. Public forums are meant to air opinions.
Yes it is, but I never used any name of a religion in any of my posts because that is objectionable. It is alright as long as we keep it unnamed.
Ok . noted. done
Mahatma Gandhi said- Ishwar allah Tere naam. Malyasia does not agree. 'Allah' is sacred to Muslims and non Muslims are not authorized to use this word. Let them use some other word Like God.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181
So, now it;s the turn of Malaysia to claim copyright over the word 'Allah' it seems.
In this way they are dividing people. It is against the believe that God is one.
Mahatma Gandhi said- Ishwar allah Tere naam. Malyasia does not agree. 'Allah' is sacred to Muslims and non Muslims are not authorized to use this word. Let them use some other word Like God.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181
So, now it;s the turn of Malaysia to claim copyright over the word 'Allah' it seems.
In this way they are dividing people. It is against the believe that God is one.
Religion is an intoxicant. It acts like opium. It makes people lose control on themselves.
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