A census conducted in 2011 , not made public by the UPA government for obvious reasons the Hindu population has dipped below 80% and the Musil population has seen a growth...This is not any " Saffron brigade findings but census statistics conducted by the UPA.
bhuyali saroj wrote:i think that one of the main factor of increment in Muslim population in INDIA is their custom which tells them that they can marry more than one women even if the first wife is alive. And because of these custom many HINDUS are changing their community, casts and every possibility which will make them Muslim
With due respect sir, then why are more Hindu women converting to Muslims religion for? The Muslim law does not permit them to marry more than one man at the same time. But if you ask me I have one reasonable answer for my humble opinion I have posted here.
The statistical figures can be convenient tools for propagandist and effective ones to see a problem in
a broder perspective to solve it. What does it reflect? It starkly reflects a nation's abysmal failure to deal with a grave problem of spiral growth in population which is basically nullifying all our efforts to present ourselves as a civilized nation. Remember China is eight times bigger than us in terms of geographical spread,yet it has felt the momentous need to pursue a no-sense,ruthless ,uniform policy and compare it with that of our own.You need not be extraordinarily
sagacious to know where lies the rub!
chinmoymukherjee wrote:@Usha Noted your points! But it also tells you the other side of the story which is how this community has been kept in Cimmerian darkness of backwardness by the leading lights of this community joining an unholy alliance with our pseudo-secularists, need I name them!!
Chinmoy,... there is no need to name our pseudo secularists. What is the need of a mirror to see how your bracelet looks ? They are a well known lot.
chinmoymukherjee wrote:@Usha Noted your points! But it also tells you the other side of the story which is how this community has been kept in Cimmerian darkness of backwardness by the leading lights of this community joining an unholy alliance with our pseudo-secularists, need I name them!!
I wonder what their agenda is given the fact that the community itself is now divided between so many so called secular parties and keeping them at a certain level will only backfire since you only help in making roadways to groups like ISIS who thrive on minds that are backward and unable to think for themselves...
@Suni51 is not right when he says that the count was done in 2011 to please a certain community. Census is done every 10 years and the next one will be due in 2021. Economically stringer communities have lower birth rates and this is observed in all affluent countries. Hindus being relatively economically better off than Muslims have lower birth rate than Muslims. But you should also note that compared to previous census birth rate of Muslims has also fallen because within their community also more sections are becoming economically well off and it is reflecting in their lower birth rates. In next census 10 years hence their will be more drop in birth rates in both communities. It is a worlwide trend. Trying to abuse a religion because they have a higher birth rate is showing a disregard for facts and global trends and shows a naked kind of bias.
vijay wrote:@Suni51 is not right when he says that the count was done in 2011 to please a certain community. Census is done every 10 years and the next one will be due in 2021. Economically stringer communities have lower birth rates and this is observed in all affluent countries. Hindus being relatively economically better off than Muslims have lower birth rate than Muslims. But you should also note that compared to previous census birth rate of Muslims has also fallen because within their community also more sections are becoming economically well off and it is reflecting in their lower birth rates. In next census 10 years hence their will be more drop in birth rates in both communities. It is a worlwide trend. Trying to abuse a religion because they have a higher birth rate is showing a disregard for facts and global trends and shows a naked kind of bias.
I agree census is a regular feature but in 2011 it was associated with giving reservation to minorities based on their population (with added questions). If that was not true why was it held back for so long. As far the rate of birth going down of a certain section of society let's look at it this way, the overall percentage is going up and that's what matters at the end of any survey.
The figures can be warped and I know it since government school teachers go collecting the data and I have done it for 2011 census.Many a times we get false data esp in minority homes.We get to see several people in the house and the count given is about one particular family in that household .You ask the neighbors and they say there are more than 15 people living there whereas we get only half the number. I have a feeling that the others either do not come under the census data which is actually not good for them because their names are missing from the census sheet.They don't even realise that by hiding the fact they are losing out in other ways because a census covers not just religious sects but other things like economic status and social status...
I know it for sure, the government of UP under Mayavati regime declared 22 districts as Minority Bahulya (majority) districts years before but the census data declared now shows these districts have 40 to 50% Muslims years later. The population of India is far greater than what the census data has on record. And as all the data has not yet been declared there is lot more yet to come. As far the census is a regular feature, yes it is but the one done in 2011 was given a name and reason and the questionnaire was altogether different from previous ones.
usha manohar wrote:The figures can be warped and I know it since government school teachers go collecting the data and I have done it for 2011 census.Many a times we get false data esp in minority homes.We get to see several people in the house and the count given is about one particular family in that household .You ask the neighbors and they say there are more than 15 people living there whereas we get only half the number. I have a feeling that the others either do not come under the census data which is actually not good for them because their names are missing from the census sheet.They don't even realise that by hiding the fact they are losing out in other ways because a census covers not just religious sects but other things like economic status and social status...
I know the data collected by the enumerators is not correct. the reason for this is not only the people also the Enumerators. In the far flung regions, the village head gives the data on behalf of the villagers. And the enumerators want to fill their registers.
We have certain areas where no employees from electric, revenue, measurement, or even police department dare to enter, I am hundred percent sure no census surveyor entered in those areas. That made all the difference. We have big slum areas in NCR housing millions Bangladeshis mostly working as scrap pickers and rickshaw pullers, here again, I am sure they are out of the census report too.
So, it all contributes to the fact that census data and reality are poles apart. I too lived in far flung regions which are not accessible by any mode of transportation. Enumerators have to wade through the rivulets to reach a place assigned to them. That's why, most of them are not in a position to collect the data.
rambabu wrote:usha manohar wrote:The figures can be warped and I know it since government school teachers go collecting the data and I have done it for 2011 census.Many a times we get false data esp in minority homes.We get to see several people in the house and the count given is about one particular family in that household .You ask the neighbors and they say there are more than 15 people living there whereas we get only half the number. I have a feeling that the others either do not come under the census data which is actually not good for them because their names are missing from the census sheet.They don't even realise that by hiding the fact they are losing out in other ways because a census covers not just religious sects but other things like economic status and social status...
I know the data collected by the enumerators is not correct. the reason for this is not only the people also the Enumerators. In the far flung regions, the village head gives the data on behalf of the villagers. And the enumerators want to fill their registers.
From my experience, we try to reach each and every village assigned to us and do not take the figures provided by the village head since we are supposed to write down many details per each household which is near impossible for a village head to provide.But I can also believe that it is not impossible to add your own data , which may be the case in some places ..
While agreeing with what you said, I added my own experience. At one particular census time I was posted in a village that was adopted by Vizag steel plant for observing conditions for building a small clinic. It was a far flung village that cannot be reached easily. I could reach the village by a car provided by my employers.
During this time an enumerator came to collect the data. The villagers were so illiterate that they were not in a position to understand what the enumerator was asking. The vexed enumerator called me requested to me to collect the data. I helped him by providing what the villagers told me. The fact part of it is not known to me. The enumerator simply collected the data and gone.
rambabu wrote:If the percentage of Hindus dip, let the government that has a Hindu majority think of measures and implement that would increase the percentage of Hindus.
The Hindus are nearing 100 crore and a slighyt difference in growth populatin cannot
convert them to minority. Really the issue is that Muslims are still backward and in low jobs owing to less education and skill. Govt. has done a lot to enhance status of Hindu scheduled castes but practically nothing fro Muslims. There is genuine need to implement sachar committe report
How does one do that ? One cannot change the attitude of the politicians ...The only factor that might help in controlling the population is spread of education and awareness ..But the problem is that Religious leaders play spoil sport by misleading the masses and it is very difficult to convince them against their own religious beliefs which mainly comes from the community leaders ..
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