It wasn't said by a Bhagva Brigade member but a former Australian Prime Minister

who said Bhagawa is only in India.  In fact, Bhagawa is nothing but Indian variant of American racism, German Nazism, fascism.  Nobody says that Bhagawa has monopoly of a particular brand of ideology.   

I support the statement of Australian PM that immigrants should adjust to the style of the country they are emigrating to. If they want to stick to their own culture then they should not emigrate and stay in their country of birth. Immigrants other than under dire pressure of circumstances want best of all cultures without changing themselves. They generally want a good life usually created by natives.

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

who said Bhagawa is only in India.  In fact, Bhagawa is nothing but Indian variant of American racism, German Nazism, fascism.  Nobody says that Bhagawa has monopoly of a particular brand of ideology.   

 

Sir, you mentioned all "isms" under the Sun. But forgotten to add Patriotism, about wich the ex Australian PM talks about and stresses on the point that to uplift the Australian Patriotism is her prime duty.

 

What she said makes sense ...There is an old proverb ' When in Rome do as the Romans do... If people try to change things depending on their likes and dislikes there is bound to be clash ...

Here is a general question- What was wrong when Indian leaders/politicians wanted to regulate Bangladeshi infilitrators' behavior or leave the country. After all we have close to 40-50 million Bangladeshi illegal migrants in this country (which is more than double of the total population of Australia).

ABsolutely nothing wrong. "Adapt or Leave.". I liked the view of Usha, "behave like a Roman, while you are in Rome.".

There is nothing wrong with what Gillard said. It should be a stand of all the PMs of all the countries where the immigrants clash with natives and governments and refuse to abide by that country's laws. Isn't that exactly what happened with the fiasco in Sri Lanka where Indian government sided with the immigrants?

And many wise people may try to liken this stand with facism or nazism or even label it as a terrorism, but there is nothing wrong with a country trying to preserve its own culture and philosophy against the onslaught of immigrants' fanaticism.

 

Exactly Kalyani. Gallard's view as the ex PM OF a country deserve appreciations and it should be followed by all the heads of a country who care for their people's welfare.

With all due respect to Gulashan Sir, If keeping own country's traditions and self-respect is  racism, Nazism or fascism a country should have these in practice rather than falling on its knees and apeasing illeagal infilitrators for vote politics.

The issue in India is not like that of Australia.  We have refugees and not just immigrants.  Moreover, the countries- India, Pakistan and Bangladesh- belong to same subcontinent and have same or identical culture unlike the immigrants to Australia.

Our problems are unique. we need not discuss the issues in Australia or elsewhere. Most probably, these have little or no relevance to Indian conditions.    

Refugees are illegal immigrants and will have to treated as such and when legal immigrants are expected to toe the line I don't see why illegal immigrants should be given no rights whatsoever other than sent back to their country of origin like it is done in all other countries....Both Pakistan and Bangladesh are independent nations and they need to be treated like any other nation..

usha manohar wrote:

Refugees are illegal immigrants and will have to treated as such and when legal immigrants are expected to toe the line I don't see why illegal immigrants should be given no rights whatsoever other than sent back to their country of origin like it is done in all other countries....Both Pakistan and Bangladesh are independent nations and they need to be treated like any other nation..

 

I agree Usha. Illegal immigrants should be sent back to the country of their origin.

 

usha manohar wrote:

Refugees are illegal immigrants and will have to treated as such and when legal immigrants are expected to toe the line I don't see why illegal immigrants should be given no rights whatsoever other than sent back to their country of origin like it is done in all other countries....Both Pakistan and Bangladesh are independent nations and they need to be treated like any other nation..

True...there is no need to treat the immigrants with kid gloves, be it legal or illegal. Everyone is expected to toe the line according to the country's laws. But alas, because of the very same attitude of congress party for so many decades, these people get showered with treats such as ration cards, pan cards, Aadhar cards and what nots!

Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:

The issue in India is not like that of Australia.  We have refugees and not just immigrants.  Moreover, the countries- India, Pakistan and Bangladesh- belong to same subcontinent and have same or identical culture unlike the immigrants to Australia.

Our problems are unique. we need not discuss the issues in Australia or elsewhere. Most probably, these have little or no relevance to Indian conditions.  

 

Right sir, I agree our problems are unique, we have lost Assam to bangladesh without fighting a war, on the verge of losing, WB, Nagaland, manipur and Bihar as the reports suggest and almost all Northern and west India bubbling with infilitrators. Yes we should not follow Australia and warn them verbally but the time is for solid action before we lose the game without fighting properly.  

 

 

If India continues to develop faster than Bangladesh then people from there will willy nllly enter India to take up menial and other allied jobs which Indians will vacate as they go up the economic ladder. This is the story of nations like USA-Mexico , Europe and North African countries etc. Religion has nothing to with it. Thousands or lakhs of Nepalese work ad stay in India. The culture is same of the sub continent. Even Australia which at one time was  nakedly racist by not allowing Asians excepting Anglo Indians has today thrown open its doors to Asian immigrants if it has to develop. The trouble with the argument that Muslims will overtake Hindus because numerically their rate of growth is higher is not a mathematical sum. Hindus know how to protect their superiority when necessary. Was'nt Buddhism banished from India without bloodshed when it threatened Hinduism. A remote possibility  far too distant in future is being propagated by persons who lack confidence in themselves. Economic migrations happen all over the world. Does'nt Christian US allow migrants from other religion countries to fuel their development. Why are you scared?

vijay wrote:

If India continues to develop faster than Bangladesh then people from there will willy nllly enter India to take up menial and other allied jobs which Indians will vacate as they go up the economic ladder. This is the story of nations like USA-Mexico , Europe and North African countries etc. Religion has nothing to with it. Thousands or lakhs of Nepalese work ad stay in India. The culture is same of the sub continent. Even Australia which at one time was  nakedly racist by not allowing Asians excepting Anglo Indians has today thrown open its doors to Asian immigrants if it has to develop. The trouble with the argument that Muslims will overtake Hindus because numerically their rate of growth is higher is not a mathematical sum. Hindus know how to protect their superiority when necessary. Was'nt Buddhism banished from India without bloodshed when it threatened Hinduism. A remote possibility  far too distant in future is being propagated by persons who lack confidence in themselves. Economic migrations happen all over the world. Does'nt Christian US allow migrants from other religion countries to fuel their development. Why are you scared?

 

Youre right, the developed countries allow them officially but India welcomes all and sundry. Everyone is welcome without any official papers and welcome to HELP THIS COUNTRY GROW (in numbers) btw, the US and countries like Australia, the UK, etc have very strict immigration rules, they allow only the people which they actually need. And migrants have no voting rights, not at all despite having all other rights. 

suni51 wrote:

vijay wrote:

If India continues to develop faster than Bangladesh then people from there will willy nllly enter India to take up menial and other allied jobs which Indians will vacate as they go up the economic ladder. This is the story of nations like USA-Mexico , Europe and North African countries etc. Religion has nothing to with it. Thousands or lakhs of Nepalese work ad stay in India. The culture is same of the sub continent. Even Australia which at one time was  nakedly racist by not allowing Asians excepting Anglo Indians has today thrown open its doors to Asian immigrants if it has to develop. The trouble with the argument that Muslims will overtake Hindus because numerically their rate of growth is higher is not a mathematical sum. Hindus know how to protect their superiority when necessary. Was'nt Buddhism banished from India without bloodshed when it threatened Hinduism. A remote possibility  far too distant in future is being propagated by persons who lack confidence in themselves. Economic migrations happen all over the world. Does'nt Christian US allow migrants from other religion countries to fuel their development. Why are you scared?

 

Youre right, the developed countries allow them officially but India welcomes all and sundry. Everyone is welcome without any official papers and welcome to HELP THIS COUNTRY GROW (in numbers) btw, the US and countries like Australia, the UK, etc have very strict immigration rules, they allow only the people which they actually need. And migrants have no voting rights, not at all despite having all other rights. 

 

More importantly Western countries and in fact all countries allow only those immigrants who contribute positively to their economy and inspite of that they still have problems like they have in Germany and France ...India goes all out to woo illegal immigrants with one purpose only to get their votes after which they are left to their own devices ..

 

usha manohar wrote:

suni51 wrote:

vijay wrote:

If India continues to develop faster than Bangladesh then people from there will willy nllly enter India to take up menial and other allied jobs which Indians will vacate as they go up the economic ladder. This is the story of nations like USA-Mexico , Europe and North African countries etc. Religion has nothing to with it. Thousands or lakhs of Nepalese work ad stay in India. The culture is same of the sub continent. Even Australia which at one time was  nakedly racist by not allowing Asians excepting Anglo Indians has today thrown open its doors to Asian immigrants if it has to develop. The trouble with the argument that Muslims will overtake Hindus because numerically their rate of growth is higher is not a mathematical sum. Hindus know how to protect their superiority when necessary. Was'nt Buddhism banished from India without bloodshed when it threatened Hinduism. A remote possibility  far too distant in future is being propagated by persons who lack confidence in themselves. Economic migrations happen all over the world. Does'nt Christian US allow migrants from other religion countries to fuel their development. Why are you scared?

 

Youre right, the developed countries allow them officially but India welcomes all and sundry. Everyone is welcome without any official papers and welcome to HELP THIS COUNTRY GROW (in numbers) btw, the US and countries like Australia, the UK, etc have very strict immigration rules, they allow only the people which they actually need. And migrants have no voting rights, not at all despite having all other rights. 

 

More importantly Western countries and in fact all countries allow only those immigrants who contribute positively to their economy and inspite of that they still have problems like they have in Germany and France ...India goes all out to woo illegal immigrants with one purpose only to get their votes after which they are left to their own devices ..

 

True Usha. After going through your response and the other members, I feel it's high time to end this liberalistic attitude and put up a hard stance against these immigrants. They had a Royal treatment  courtesy previous governments. Enough is enough.

 

 

Your contention that illegal immigration is encouraged to get votes is too far fetched. It is one of those perennial perceptions that prevail in Indian electoral calculations. The amount of illegal migration that takes place into USA and other developed countries is significant. Every few years amnesty schemes are announced in USA to regularise these illegal immigrants which includes many Indians also (I know a few of them). Economic deprivation forces citizens to migrate to better economies esp if they happen to be across the borders. As the problem is perceptional no solution will ever satisfy its supporters who will go on and on with mythical solutions. One of the way of arresting such lmmigration is to help Bangladesh develop its economy at a faster rate than present. India does not have liberalistic rules because in our preset state of economic development who would like to migrate to India when its own educated class migrate at the drop of a hat from Chennai, Hyderabad, Ahmedabad, Mumbai etc. even when they have good jpbs. That is oK with you but reverse migration from poorer countries is a problem. Or is it some hidden bias?

Any immigration done should come within the barometers of the law of that country or else it is illegal.Indians going abroad and being accepted by them is done because they contribute to the economy positively and are not a burden on the economy.India is still a developing nation and we have enough poverty and problems not to add on more which becomes a gauntlet since most of the so called refugees indulge in anti social activities either because of economic reasons or because of their misguided beliefs...Ideally, if the government wants to help immigrants they should have a law in place where it is done legally and not like iit is being done by political parties now just to get their votes..