Mao tse Tunsg"Red Book" needs to be read by Indian leadership from Nehru downwards to Modi

Power flows from barrel of gun according to Maoism whereas Indians believe in power of ballot.  But author of this thread has given entirely new meaning to the famous quote of Mao. Undoubtedly, military strength is must and we must have contended  military. I agree.  

If we are to follow Maoism any kind of agitation will be dealt with force so also the OROP. I feel that Democracy is the only kind of rule that gives freedom to individuals although even there we have limitations

Thank you Gulshanji, so nice that you have hit the nail on the head

usha manohar wrote:

If we are to follow Maoism any kind of agitation will be dealt with force so also the OROP. I feel that Democracy is the only kind of rule that gives freedom to individuals although even there we have limitations

I agree, but one can't blunt the sword which has to be used.

It is part of stanza of Ramayan 'Bhy Bina Hoi Na Preet". It is true. If some want that other listen to them than they must be enough powerful and strong. But we also remember that India in India and not China. here is link, if it is true than our leader must be think for a moment.

http://postcard.news/bsf-video-expose-choose-truth-not-fiction/

MG Singh wrote:

usha manohar wrote:

If we are to follow Maoism any kind of agitation will be dealt with force so also the OROP. I feel that Democracy is the only kind of rule that gives freedom to individuals although even there we have limitations

I agree, but one can't blunt the sword which has to be used.

When necessary one has to use force but where does one draw the line ?

China has not become an economic power by following Mao. It has in fact become so by rejecting his doctrines and adopting the market driven model of economy. Mao was a mass murderer who killed millions in his failed Great Leap Forward experiment when his country was going nowhere in development. The power grows from barrell of a gun statement was made when he was a revolutionery and wanted to capture power. The economic wealth has made China a military power. Why is MGS always preaching wrong advice quoting out of context from foreigners? Why is he so distressed with the humane but slow Indian model?

vijay wrote:

China has not become an economic power by following Mao. It has in fact become so by rejecting his doctrines and adopting the market driven model of economy. Mao was a mass murderer who killed millions in his failed Great Leap Forward experiment when his country was going nowhere in development. The power grows from barrell of a gun statement was made when he was a revolutionery and wanted to capture power. The economic wealth has made China a military power. Why is MGS always preaching wrong advice quoting out of context from foreigners? Why is he so distressed with the humane but slow Indian model?

Last time I checked (in the Indo-pak relations topic),  you were advocating an aggressive form of govt and were totally against the 'humane but slow' Indian model.  

You are confused. Last time I was advocating a tough policy against anti national and Pakistanis. Mao acted against his own people and thus I am supporting the humane but slow Indian model. Hope you understand and are not rushing to score debating points.

vijay wrote:

You are confused. Last time I was advocating a tough policy against anti national and Pakistanis. Mao acted against his own people and thus I am supporting the humane but slow Indian model. Hope you understand and are not rushing to score debating points.

As everyone (except you) can clearly see , the author of this thread is not saying that our leaders should adopt all of Mao's policies (including genocide and mass murder). Mao and his advisors formulated an economic model which would make them less dependent on other countries. He also believed in improving the country's military might. And I was referring to the "paralysis in decision making" that you were apparently annoyed with. 

Nothing wrong with rushing to score debating points. As it is, this discussion forum is mostly inactive. A debate is like a breath of fresh air in this barren place.

vijay wrote:

You are confused. Last time I was advocating a tough policy against anti national and Pakistanis. Mao acted against his own people and thus I am supporting the humane but slow Indian model. Hope you understand and are not rushing to score debating points.

I agree that state should be ruthless against sabotage and aggression. As regards Mao's economic policies, it will suffice to say that there is world capitalist economic order regulated by IMF and world bank. No country including China can follow any policy other than capitalist one.  There is also a view that no Leninist is communist. Lenin distorted Marxian thoughts. Mao Tse Tung is also a Leninist. Historically, the economic changes have never been brought so far by any organizational efforts. These were more by evolution than revolution. So Communism can also not be  brought by any political party- Communist or any else. .Communism may also emerge as evolutionary process.   The world capitalist order may be replaced by alternative system- by whatever name- communist or some other. Everyone has read in Economics that production, distribution, exchange and consumption- are the components of economy. However, in communism there is no private ownership. There is only production, distribution and consumption. Production is for consumption and not profit as in a capitalist economy. Here is a glimpse of Communism Read the article:

https://www.boddunan.com/articles/miscellaneous/57-stories-a-tales/23658-life-in-distant-planet.html

The greatest drawback of Communism is it's limitation . Change is inevitable and they also overlooked the way nature made humans and the theory of survival of the fittest. In fact we see all communist countries leaning towards dictatorship thwarting all voices . This is precisely why it can never work because in the long run the fitter or the more powerful and smarter ones will find  a way of overthrowing them.

Mao's economic model died with him and was discarded by his successor. Why are you advocating India should adopt it? Remember India is a functioning democracy and China is a brutal dictatorship of one so called communist party. We are humanely much better off than most Chinese even thouh the Chonese State is much more powerful.

Exactly. When India  Is a functioning Democracy, why on earth India should adopt to Mao's economic model ?

vijay wrote:

Mao's economic model died with him and was discarded by his successor. Why are you advocating India should adopt it? Remember India is a functioning democracy and China is a brutal dictatorship of one so called communist party. We are humanely much better off than most Chinese even thouh the Chonese State is much more powerful.

Who by the way is advocating India should adopt it?

Why did Mao lead a revolution if not to improve Chinese econony? Everything he tried was towards this. He failed.

I guess most of the members who took part i this discussion agreed on that point since I dont see anyone advocating India to follow Mao's policies..

Good. For once foreign infuence is not accepted automatically.

We have accepted foreign rule and influence since the days of Mughal invasion and subsequent several ..China, probably because of our leaders leaning towards Russian model has not found favor although it has many positive points that we could emulate ..