Of course this is a fact since Muslims themselves would never leave India and go to Pakistan or Bangla Desh if they are given a choice because of the freedom they get here. Our politicians use them as tools to garner votes and tend to pamper them with ulterior motives.Interestingly Taslima also had this to say about the so called Secularists and Liberals ( probably a brand that exists only in India) who back Muslims even if they are fanatics ! typical double standards that we know all about..
How many Hindus settled abroad will come back to India if given a choice to do so. So let us not be patronising towards Muslims who are equal citizens of India. Hindus settled in UK were openly wooed by its PM during last elections. What is wrong in that. You are confusing issues. Please be specific.
It is true that Indian constitution gives equal rights to all citizens. We always raise our voice whenever there is attack on secularism. Certainly we cannot compare ourselves with Bangladesh where there is no freedom of religion and speech. All secular minded as well as minorities are targeted there. Recently a science teacher was killed because he told his students that certain thing stated in Koran is not true. India is much better although in recent times, there have been brazen attacks on minorities- Christians as well as Muslims- and also on rationalist intellectuals. There was recently a big debate on intolerance. However we talk of intolerance, we do not compare with Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia. But this also cannot be ignored that the extreme Hindutva forces have every intention to force their fascist design on the country. So we need to fight against communal and fascist forces.
There is extremism in every religion , much more in Islam than in any other religion and we see its impact on the whole world , so the o called liberals need not even refer to Hindu extremism which is not violent and terror based . No doubt that many incidents that take place get blamed on Hindu groups especially so when it is a Muslim who is at the receiving end or a so called intellectual ! This fact has also been taken advantage of by our ever conniving political parties and there have been incidents where the goons of these parties commit such acts wearing saffron robes so that they can be easily identified as Hindu groups...These are all political games played by the political parties and their allies. In fact even criminal goondas like Lalu and Mulayam speak about Fascist force, without having an iota of knowledge about what it actually means, so let us not use big words here against Hindu groups, rather use them where they should essentially be used to describe activities of certain communities ..
Goons of some party talk of secularism in the guise of and as Congress workers so that the party can be criticized.Extremists of any religion need to be condemned. It is foolish to compare Indian model with countries like Bangladsh or other similar countries. Anyone born in India is an equal citizen whether he is a Ram or Rahim dos not matter. Constitution is supreme . Narrow minded persons can leave and settle in Bangladesh with similar people like them and enjoy their company.
Having a terror bomb like Bangla Desh and Pakistan as our neighbors is scary to say the least. According to Tasleem most of the terror and fanatics in Bangla Desh support ISIS and Hindus are not safe there ..S, it is not possible to have a healthy relationship with both these countries. whether we like it or not it is because of religion and Religious groups..
There is no one yardstick and what was practiced earlier was a total failure going by the situation that has been created in Kashmir and the many communal riots and terrorist attacks that have taken place so far .. India under UPA had shown that it is soft on minorities and will overlook many of their misdeeds while bashing down anything that the majority community does...This will not be tolerated by the nation in the future. The leaders will have to use the same yardstick to everyone who shows anti national and terrorist tendencies which will definitely help in gaining the respect of the minorities too, since they have been manipulating the system wherever possible..
usha manohar wrote:There is extremism in every religion , much more in Islam than in any other religion and we see its impact on the whole world , so the o called liberals need not even refer to Hindu extremism which is not violent and terror based . No doubt that many incidents that take place get blamed on Hindu groups especially so when it is a Muslim who is at the receiving end or a so called intellectual ! This fact has also been taken advantage of by our ever conniving political parties and there have been incidents where the goons of these parties commit such acts wearing saffron robes so that they can be easily identified as Hindu groups...These are all political games played by the political parties and their allies. In fact even criminal goondas like Lalu and Mulayam speak about Fascist force, without having an iota of knowledge about what it actually means, so let us not use big words here against Hindu groups, rather use them where they should essentially be used to describe activities of certain communities ..
Exactly...Taslima knows what she is talking about because she is the victim of her own clan's intolerance or sorry, should I say, extremely friendly and tolerant attitude!
Incidentally, did anyone read the report about the few Kashmiri Hindus who are incarcerated in a transit camp in Kashmir, suppressed, depressed and scared to death, in their own country? While Sepratists roam outside their compound shouting anti-India slogans in broad daylight? With a situation as worrisome as this, can we blame the rise of so-called saffron terrorism?
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:usha manohar wrote:There is extremism in every religion , much more in Islam than in any other religion and we see its impact on the whole world , so the o called liberals need not even refer to Hindu extremism which is not violent and terror based . No doubt that many incidents that take place get blamed on Hindu groups especially so when it is a Muslim who is at the receiving end or a so called intellectual ! This fact has also been taken advantage of by our ever conniving political parties and there have been incidents where the goons of these parties commit such acts wearing saffron robes so that they can be easily identified as Hindu groups...These are all political games played by the political parties and their allies. In fact even criminal goondas like Lalu and Mulayam speak about Fascist force, without having an iota of knowledge about what it actually means, so let us not use big words here against Hindu groups, rather use them where they should essentially be used to describe activities of certain communities ..
Exactly...Taslima knows what she is talking about because she is the victim of her own clan's intolerance or sorry, should I say, extremely friendly and tolerant attitude!
Incidentally, did anyone read the report about the few Kashmiri Hindus who are incarcerated in a transit camp in Kashmir, suppressed, depressed and scared to death, in their own country? While Sepratists roam outside their compound shouting anti-India slogans in broad daylight? With a situation as worrisome as this, can we blame the rise of so-called saffron terrorism?
I agree it is a cae of cause and effect ..Taseema has been targetted for being frank and if wwe see she never got much support here earlier nor did any of the intellectuals and award wapsi gang stood up for her. She was also someone who was standing up for rationalism and free thinking but obviously in India only some were more equal.. She has made her deductions based on her own experience and what she has seen happening here ..
usha manohar wrote:Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:usha manohar wrote:There is extremism in every religion , much more in Islam than in any other religion and we see its impact on the whole world , so the o called liberals need not even refer to Hindu extremism which is not violent and terror based . No doubt that many incidents that take place get blamed on Hindu groups especially so when it is a Muslim who is at the receiving end or a so called intellectual ! This fact has also been taken advantage of by our ever conniving political parties and there have been incidents where the goons of these parties commit such acts wearing saffron robes so that they can be easily identified as Hindu groups...These are all political games played by the political parties and their allies. In fact even criminal goondas like Lalu and Mulayam speak about Fascist force, without having an iota of knowledge about what it actually means, so let us not use big words here against Hindu groups, rather use them where they should essentially be used to describe activities of certain communities ..
Exactly...Taslima knows what she is talking about because she is the victim of her own clan's intolerance or sorry, should I say, extremely friendly and tolerant attitude!
Incidentally, did anyone read the report about the few Kashmiri Hindus who are incarcerated in a transit camp in Kashmir, suppressed, depressed and scared to death, in their own country? While Sepratists roam outside their compound shouting anti-India slogans in broad daylight? With a situation as worrisome as this, can we blame the rise of so-called saffron terrorism?
I agree it is a cae of cause and effect ..Taseema has been targetted for being frank and if wwe see she never got much support here earlier nor did any of the intellectuals and award wapsi gang stood up for her. She was also someone who was standing up for rationalism and free thinking but obviously in India only some were more equal.. She has made her deductions based on her own experience and what she has seen happening here ..
Yes Usha, and the fact is that the so-called rationalists and advocates of free thinking in reality are the ones who indulge in Hindu-bashing and denouncing everything that is traditional to Hindus and can do so quite freely without any repurcussions. Yet when someone like Taslima Nasreen needed support, they failed to extend it to her because she spoke something that went against their label of rationalism - that was, to speak against Hindus. Truly hypocritical!
Of course BJP will definitely try but one can see how it is met with by the hard liners in the valley..Of course these are early days and I am sure there will be other more affirmative steps taken to settle the Pandits in their rightful homes.
I recollect reading the novel by Alistair Mclean " Fear is the Key". This dictated the Congress party and it failed to react when the Muslims started the ethnic cleansing in Kashmir.Now with Modi, this can be reversed. There is nothing to fear as it has been shown that most groups in Kashmir are paper tigers , even the Hurriyat. It's a pity that Hurriyat leaders are provided security by the Indian government and their children are given subsidies.
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:usha manohar wrote:There is extremism in every religion , much more in Islam than in any other religion and we see its impact on the whole world , so the o called liberals need not even refer to Hindu extremism which is not violent and terror based . No doubt that many incidents that take place get blamed on Hindu groups especially so when it is a Muslim who is at the receiving end or a so called intellectual ! This fact has also been taken advantage of by our ever conniving political parties and there have been incidents where the goons of these parties commit such acts wearing saffron robes so that they can be easily identified as Hindu groups...These are all political games played by the political parties and their allies. In fact even criminal goondas like Lalu and Mulayam speak about Fascist force, without having an iota of knowledge about what it actually means, so let us not use big words here against Hindu groups, rather use them where they should essentially be used to describe activities of certain communities ..
Exactly...Taslima knows what she is talking about because she is the victim of her own clan's intolerance or sorry, should I say, extremely friendly and tolerant attitude!
Incidentally, did anyone read the report about the few Kashmiri Hindus who are incarcerated in a transit camp in Kashmir, suppressed, depressed and scared to death, in their own country? While Sepratists roam outside their compound shouting anti-India slogans in broad daylight? With a situation as worrisome as this, can we blame the rise of so-called saffron terrorism?http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Article.aspx?eid=31808&articlexml=Set-up-to-heal-its-now-camp-of-18052016014024
Good you have raised this point as I have operated in the valley and the hindu_muslim divide is complete. There can be no integration ever.
MG Singh wrote:Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:usha manohar wrote:There is extremism in every religion , much more in Islam than in any other religion and we see its impact on the whole world , so the o called liberals need not even refer to Hindu extremism which is not violent and terror based . No doubt that many incidents that take place get blamed on Hindu groups especially so when it is a Muslim who is at the receiving end or a so called intellectual ! This fact has also been taken advantage of by our ever conniving political parties and there have been incidents where the goons of these parties commit such acts wearing saffron robes so that they can be easily identified as Hindu groups...These are all political games played by the political parties and their allies. In fact even criminal goondas like Lalu and Mulayam speak about Fascist force, without having an iota of knowledge about what it actually means, so let us not use big words here against Hindu groups, rather use them where they should essentially be used to describe activities of certain communities ..
Exactly...Taslima knows what she is talking about because she is the victim of her own clan's intolerance or sorry, should I say, extremely friendly and tolerant attitude!
Incidentally, did anyone read the report about the few Kashmiri Hindus who are incarcerated in a transit camp in Kashmir, suppressed, depressed and scared to death, in their own country? While Sepratists roam outside their compound shouting anti-India slogans in broad daylight? With a situation as worrisome as this, can we blame the rise of so-called saffron terrorism?http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Article.aspx?eid=31808&articlexml=Set-up-to-heal-its-now-camp-of-18052016014024
Good you have raised this point as I have operated in the valley and the hindu_muslim divide is complete. There can be no integration ever.
If at all integration was possible, it would have been in the couple of decades immediately following the partition. But too mollycoddling by Nehru and his successors and partiality towards Muslims at the same time keeping them from progressing on one hand and bashing Hindus and Hinduism etc. has completed the divide. Of course, there are many Muslims who are true patriots and good citizens, but those who voice out separatist tendencies openly should be prosecuted and the disease that The Pakistan has festered should be cut off once and for all. That action would also bring out the true enemies of India out into the open.
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:MG Singh wrote:Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:usha manohar wrote:There is extremism in every religion , much more in Islam than in any other religion and we see its impact on the whole world , so the o called liberals need not even refer to Hindu extremism which is not violent and terror based . No doubt that many incidents that take place get blamed on Hindu groups especially so when it is a Muslim who is at the receiving end or a so called intellectual ! This fact has also been taken advantage of by our ever conniving political parties and there have been incidents where the goons of these parties commit such acts wearing saffron robes so that they can be easily identified as Hindu groups...These are all political games played by the political parties and their allies. In fact even criminal goondas like Lalu and Mulayam speak about Fascist force, without having an iota of knowledge about what it actually means, so let us not use big words here against Hindu groups, rather use them where they should essentially be used to describe activities of certain communities ..
Exactly...Taslima knows what she is talking about because she is the victim of her own clan's intolerance or sorry, should I say, extremely friendly and tolerant attitude!
Incidentally, did anyone read the report about the few Kashmiri Hindus who are incarcerated in a transit camp in Kashmir, suppressed, depressed and scared to death, in their own country? While Sepratists roam outside their compound shouting anti-India slogans in broad daylight? With a situation as worrisome as this, can we blame the rise of so-called saffron terrorism?http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Article.aspx?eid=31808&articlexml=Set-up-to-heal-its-now-camp-of-18052016014024
Good you have raised this point as I have operated in the valley and the hindu_muslim divide is complete. There can be no integration ever.
If at all integration was possible, it would have been in the couple of decades immediately following the partition. But too mollycoddling by Nehru and his successors and partiality towards Muslims at the same time keeping them from progressing on one hand and bashing Hindus and Hinduism etc. has completed the divide. Of course, there are many Muslims who are true patriots and good citizens, but those who voice out separatist tendencies openly should be prosecuted and the disease that The Pakistan has festered should be cut off once and for all. That action would also bring out the true enemies of India out into the open.
The more they get pampered the more they tend to take things for granted. This is precisely why UCC is very essential to our country to bring in equality . Hopefully after the black money drive , Modi would hopefully look into that seriously and implement it ..
We want to treat all our citizens equal, the same law of land for all. So the very first thing that we have to do is to stop calling them minorities and do not give them special privileges for being a minority. Let us give them equal opportunities and do not make them as vote bank. So high time, stop pseudo secularism and treat them equal. They can't enjoy minority status and equal at the same time
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