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suni51 wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

suni51 wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

Maverick wrote:

New members tend to post spam/unnecessary posts, hence the difference.

On the contrary indiscriminate posting of same thing said again and again and unnecessary posts to each and every thing comes from old members, not new. On the same note, I may add that some of the very promising new members have been put off from this site by unnecessary rudeness and brashness of old members. So while we keep harping on inviting quality members, there are certain old and senior ones who persist in their rudeness which drives off good people. Something that I have pointed to you previously a number of times.

 

I am so sorry to see some of the good new members left just because they could not adjust with ways they were handled by older members. 

 

The point is not the unwillingness to adjust to ways here, but it is unwillingness to accept unnecessary insults and undesirable comments thrown at them.  A forum is supposed to be an open place where anyone can drop in and exchange points, not a tightly controlled and closed community where new people will feel uninvited or unwanted.

 

No, I did not say the new members should give up to the bullying of older members but what I said was  they could not deal with bullying by older members and left.

 

That does not mean it should go unchecked. Everyone should feel welcome here !

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

suni51 wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

suni51 wrote:

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

Maverick wrote:

New members tend to post spam/unnecessary posts, hence the difference.

On the contrary indiscriminate posting of same thing said again and again and unnecessary posts to each and every thing comes from old members, not new. On the same note, I may add that some of the very promising new members have been put off from this site by unnecessary rudeness and brashness of old members. So while we keep harping on inviting quality members, there are certain old and senior ones who persist in their rudeness which drives off good people. Something that I have pointed to you previously a number of times.

 

I am so sorry to see some of the good new members left just because they could not adjust with ways they were handled by older members. 

 

The point is not the unwillingness to adjust to ways here, but it is unwillingness to accept unnecessary insults and undesirable comments thrown at them.  A forum is supposed to be an open place where anyone can drop in and exchange points, not a tightly controlled and closed community where new people will feel uninvited or unwanted.

 

No, I did not say the new members should give up to the bullying of older members but what I said was  they could not deal with bullying by older members and left.

 

That does not mean it should go unchecked. Everyone should feel welcome here !

 

That is why this thread's points are being discussed, let the admin make his views clear on this one.

 

Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:

Maverick wrote:

New members tend to post spam/unnecessary posts, hence the difference.

On the contrary indiscriminate posting of same thing said again and again and unnecessary posts to each and every thing comes from old members, not new. On the same note, I may add that some of the very promising new members have been put off from this site by unnecessary rudeness and brashness of old members. So while we keep harping on inviting quality members, there are certain old and senior ones who persist in their rudeness which drives off good people. Something that I have pointed to you previously a number of times.

I agree Kalyani, too many unnecessary posts just to get points spoils the quality of the discussion and many a times you may want to post but the fact that you may not get the information  but another overlapping view deters me to post in many discussions.There is also a great deal of difference between rudeness to new members and getting caught up in a heated discussion..

I don't know who are those bullies. I presume they must be weaker than me! A bully never gets attracted with their best or worst efforts and ultimately make themselves dispensable, redundant to thin away and out.But the question that merits serious consideration is if those who have entrusted with the job of discipling bullies have been up to their job? 

There should not be any distinction between new members and seniors. It is talents that count, not seniority. And many new members are highly talented and have been performing admirably in many other reputed sites. An equal treatment, with same rules for all, will definitely enhance the dignity of the site. 

chinmoymukherjee wrote:

I don't know who are those bullies. I presume they must be weaker than me! A bully never gets attracted with their best or worst efforts and ultimately make themselves dispensable, redundant to thin away and out.But the question that merits serious consideration is if those who have entrusted with the job of discipling bullies have been up to their job? 

 

I can assure you the people responsible are doing their best to keep the forums clean but it's for some of the existing rules which pose as hurdles. As soon as the rules are clear, the things will look different.

So what I understand is majority people are against the restrictions, well I have to respect your views. 

@kalyani, this is an open forum, everyone welcome here and can share their views freely. Nobody can command anyone here, it simply do not work in an open environment.

@chinmoy, sorry but I have to disagree. people who are supposed to do keep the discipline are already doing their job at their best, imho. At the end, this is the forum run by the community for themselves. If there are some deviations, I won't worry as there is no perfect thing in the world in any field.

@rambabu, any incidents reported will be taken care with due diligence. I don't worry about 100 wrong people gets benefit but I do worry if 1 innocent paid the price for no wrong doing.

Others, thanks for posting your views. At present there would be no change in any status. We will continue to take feedback from you guys.

@Maverick

No need to feel sorry but your views in regard to mine have convinced me of correctness of my views.So I stand by them.Let us agree to disagree!

An imperfect world should not be an excuse for non-pursuit of perfection.Similarly your philosophy of letting hundred wrong doing to protect a single innocence is a bundle of confusion and contradiction.If we allow 100 thieves the benefit of thefts we make more or less than 100 victims protecting only wrong-doers!

An imperfect world should not be an excuse for non-pursuit of perfection.Similarly your philosophy of letting hundred wrong doing to protect a single innocence is a bundle of confusion and contradiction.If we allow 100 thieves the benefit of thefts we make more or less than 100 victims protecting only wrong-doers!

 

I too am confused about this statement , I wonder what Maverick meant by it...

chinmoymukherjee wrote:

@Maverick

No need to feel sorry but your views in regard to mine have convinced me of correctness of my views.So I stand by them.Let us agree to disagree!

An imperfect world should not be an excuse for non-pursuit of perfection.Similarly your philosophy of letting hundred wrong doing to protect a single innocence is a bundle of confusion and contradiction.If we allow 100 thieves the benefit of thefts we make more or less than 100 victims protecting only wrong-doers!

Do not worry, there will be no wrong doings here, you can be assured of that. You are one of the members who have been here right from the beginning and have seen this site grow from a small forum to such a big and exclusive community. We all have had share of ups and downs and injustices and all kinds of disturbing trends and yet, we have all survived that and brought this site on top of everything else. You have not been here only as a witness but as an invaluable part of the growing and maturing community and have proved a source of great learning for not just me but for others as well. Deviations will always be there , we can never wish them away but as long as we are all willing to clean up the mess together and work for it, it will always be alright!

In civilized society,  it is preferred that the culprits be let free rather than punishing an innocent.  Maverick's view need be taken in this context. It is correct to say that our site is a cooperative one that needs self discipline. The rules cannot be very rigid.  It is also correct that nothing id perfect in the world.  There are also some norms for regulation of forum.  Most members are following these. some times, a few members indulge in some irregularities and gain. But ultimately they either quit or follow the rules in spirit.  So let us perform on site to our best. We need not be very senitive on some occasional irregularities.  Also the administration is not so lenient. In appropriate cases, some members have been debarred also. But this cannot be a rule. Such drastic measure is very rare.  

Maverick wrote:

So what I understand is majority people are against the restrictions, well I have to respect your views. 

@kalyani, this is an open forum, everyone welcome here and can share their views freely. Nobody can command anyone here, it simply do not work in an open environment.

@chinmoy, sorry but I have to disagree. people who are supposed to do keep the discipline are already doing their job at their best, imho. At the end, this is the forum run by the community for themselves. If there are some deviations, I won't worry as there is no perfect thing in the world in any field.

@rambabu, any incidents reported will be taken care with due diligence. I don't worry about 100 wrong people gets benefit but I do worry if 1 innocent paid the price for no wrong doing.

Others, thanks for posting your views. At present there would be no change in any status. We will continue to take feedback from you guys.

I am breaking a rule here by posting twice consecutively in a row here but it is only now I read your response here carefully and have tried to discern exactly what you mean. I cannot help but disagree with you that if we know that there are a people doing wrong here then there is no way that can allow them to discontinue. Until now and hereon forth too, I am sure that you will allow me and other moderators the liberty of taking action against the concerned people here and will not question us if we have to delete threads or posts. But still, I wish you would be more forthcoming with your point of view. As far as one innocent person paying the price is concerned, I am seriously disturbed by your thoughts on this, too many have already paid the price and while this is an independent forum and people may come and go as they please, it does not really do us any good to lose a few good ones merely for the purpose of stoking the ego of a single person.

What kind of a civilized society are you talking about,Gulshanji?How the cause of protecting innocence is justly served by letting culprits free! Incompressible! Recently the TMC goons in municipal elections rained blows,fatally wounded voters cutting across age,sex and all and the police looked the way to protect the innocence of these goons by not booking any.You must be very happy with these civilized ways of this civilized state! Though the context is different but don't make things too free to jeopardize freedom itself!!

Guys, lets don't deviate from our discussion, sorry for feeding unnecessary things in this forum. Yes, there are good enough measures to treat the people who do wrong-doings as you might have already seen in last few years and at the same time.

@Kalyani, first of all posting multiple replies is not come under rules violation, rather posting meaningless posts, "me too" kind of posts. I agree on some part with your views on letting innocent people go away because of other people's ego, however this is what exactly tried to convey in my earlier post too. At the same time, we cannot take any decision in hurry. As you can see in this post, we asked everyone for their views even before we decide to take any decision. 

I would like to reiterate one point that this is a forum driven by community and each one has equal rights to express their views until they do not cross the line. If they cannot control the way things are going, editors/management is always at their rescue. And feel free to send me the mail using contact us form if nothing works out fine.

I hope you all agree for it. If yes, this thread can be locked out in next 24 hours.

chinmoymukherjee wrote:What kind of a civilized society are you talking about,Gulshanji?How the cause of protecting innocence is justly served by letting culprits free! Incompressible! Recently the TMC goons in municipal elections rained blows,fatally wounded voters cutting across age,sex and all and the police looked the way to protect the innocence of these goons by not booking any.You must be very happy with these civilized ways of this civilized state! Though the context is different but don't make things too free to jeopardize freedom itself!!

The TMC is ruling party and is terrorizing the opposition. This is different from crimes of non political nature. It is considered bad to punish an innocent. On the other hand the guilty going unpunished is not so bad. That is why benefit of doubt is given so that an innocent be not punished though guilty could be spared. Here on Boddunan site, there could be many spams and irregularities. The moderators in fact try to curb these. At many occasions, spammers have even been blocked. But largely, self control is best and moderators' intervention very frequently is not so desirable.  

 

Maverick wrote:

Guys, lets don't deviate from our discussion, sorry for feeding unnecessary things in this forum. Yes, there are good enough measures to treat the people who do wrong-doings as you might have already seen in last few years and at the same time.

@Kalyani, first of all posting multiple replies is not come under rules violation, rather posting meaningless posts, "me too" kind of posts. I agree on some part with your views on letting innocent people go away because of other people's ego, however this is what exactly tried to convey in my earlier post too. At the same time, we cannot take any decision in hurry. As you can see in this post, we asked everyone for their views even before we decide to take any decision. 

I would like to reiterate one point that this is a forum driven by community and each one has equal rights to express their views until they do not cross the line. If they cannot control the way things are going, editors/management is always at their rescue. And feel free to send me the mail using contact us form if nothing works out fine.

I hope you all agree for it. If yes, this thread can be locked out in next 24 hours.

 

Thanks admin for bringing these points in front of the forum members. So the rule of multiple postings in a row is non-existing which is a good news as many sites allow its members to do that. It will benefit the site and members directly and indirectly.

Now that all rules are clear including posting guidelines there are no further issues and I can name two members with best ideas

rambabu and Chinmoy, 

Thanks everyone for your valuable comments, the thread is locked now.