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bhuyali saroj replied to the topic Reasons to feel Proud to be an Indian .
i feel proud for these country INDIA because the people of these country are very brotherly
10 years ago
usha manohar replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
Lopamudra wrote:
usha manohar wrote:
Lopamudra wrote:
usha manohar wrote:
Lopamudra wrote:
I agree with you because I have seen how lightly some students take their studies, knowing perfectly well that they will be promoted to the next class no matter how bad their results are. However, there's a flip side that If the examination marking Is strict, there will be more drop outs, more pressure leading to suicides, running away from home etc..and children do take such extreme steps. One can argue that at least we will have an educated society..whatever little they learn because no matter what you do, kids who are serious about studies will learn In any case and those not interested will atlest attend school If not study..and indirectly In remote areas It may stop child labour
In the long run does it really matter to have children who have gone to school just for the fun of it ? Child labor is in fact encouraged by the parents themselves and they will give preference to monetary gains rather than send the child to school. I am sure there are a few advantages but the disadvantages outnumber them easily. I have seen in my own school how everybody , the students and teachers are taking it easy , because they have no exam worries.As a result when the child goes to 9th standard he or she is not able to cope with the sudden pressure. Then starts the cycle of tuition and extra coaching ..
Those children who are interested in studies on their own will study in any case. The education system has been simplified to a great extent with activities, the cumulative assessment with marks being given for every aspect be it class work, home work, class response, writing abilities, language skills and so on. The idea is to bring out best without creating the fear of exams. Teachers of course are overworked in the process but most of the time they do give in their best. It was done with a good intention of imparting quality education and motivating the weaker ones. Another aim of trying to get children to go to school was to identify their hidden talent since every child it good at something be it art, craft, music or whatever. This would help the children especially the underprivileged ones to make a living for themselves. Child labour is encouraged by the parents mostly for money, true..but in many cases when parents see some kind of potential in their kids they start sending them to school. Now, if they start failing because of their academic weakness, parents may simply say"its better to stay at home and lend a helping hand rather than go to school and fail'. But yes, I do agree that a section of students are beyond any kind of motivation and in spite of the assessment system being so simple are unable to give in their best. Would have been good if some kind of balance could have been worked out..like retest till you clear it or reduce the pass mark.
Your views make a lot of sense but in India many parents from the poorer sections need to be made aware of the importance of education because they see only the immediate benefits like free mid day meal and no tension of study, so that the child can come back and do the house work without having to bother about studies too much.I have seen this attitude. In fact even the middle class mothers are happy that they don't have to worry about teaching their children and so on...
I totally agree with your views about bringing out hidden talents of a child if any...But do we have a system that does it? we certainly don't.I remember when I was a child we would have drawing, sewing,gardening, music and debate and arts as part of the curriculum , and students could choose whatever interested them.Now we have no provision even for a proper library hour or sports which is played after school hours.
Thats absolutely true about parents from the economically weaker sections and it is really a big challenge to convince them...but then one can only try.
The Central Board schools do have co-curricular activities and sports mandatory for all students which cover almost every thing from dance, music, art, craft, public speaking and also a talent show is conducted in many schools where children just have to do what they like best.
Many state run schools to come under this policy where there are very few facilities, not even a proper roof over the head in some cases ! The no detention policy was started with the hope of bringing in more students but it is also true that the quality has got diluted in the process !
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
Most of the parents are interested in only seeing their children in the prestigious corporate schools. Corporate schools make the children Robots. Children are made to memorize the things and vomit in the examinations without thought of the meaning; in a mechanical way.
With this attitude of the parents it is practically impossible to convince them
10 years ago
Lopamudra replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
chinmoymukherjee wrote:This policy primarily seeks to achieve the goal of of fighting the problem of early drop-out among students,especially ones hailing from submerged sections. Now the question emanates is how far it succeeds in this direction. Any system predicated upon this narrow proposition overlooking the quality aspect which calls for a rational,objective and scientific evaluation is doomed to fail. Prof. Amartya Seen has already voiced his grave concerns over the state of primary education in the country.By pursuing this policy one can ensure retention but ultimately that can not prevent students dropping out on their own.Our class-room teaching is yet to graduate to a stage where the specific needs of bright,average and laggards.
True Chinmoy, merely promoting children upto 8th std is simply not working for the children from submerged sections, primarily to whom this policy had been originally targetted. Other children from private and better schools do have a grading system and it is ensured that the children maintain grades at all times. But for the EBC children, the quality of education is extremely dismal and there are simply no measures employed to improve them. Efforts are being made to keep children in school such as no detention, midday meals etc. but real education still does not happen. Result is the children still drop out, but only after 8th std and they still cannot even read or write or even do very simple primary level maths.
That is precisely the point. At least they are going to school till class 8. They have learned something even if not to the level expected. That is better than staying at home. Even if a small percent of these students are motivated to study further , it is an achievement. Problem is more with the ones who have the ability to do well and just because of no detention policy take it easy. Anyways, it would definitely be preferable to find a balance between the two situations.
10 years ago
Manoj Kumar Lamba answered the question Will it help if you have the same political party in power at both the central government and the state government.
If there are same political parties at center and state, then there will be better coordination and center will help state without any political issues.
10 years ago
Lopamudra replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
usha manohar wrote:
Lopamudra wrote:
usha manohar wrote:
Lopamudra wrote:
I agree with you because I have seen how lightly some students take their studies, knowing perfectly well that they will be promoted to the next class no matter how bad their results are. However, there's a flip side that If the examination marking Is strict, there will be more drop outs, more pressure leading to suicides, running away from home etc..and children do take such extreme steps. One can argue that at least we will have an educated society..whatever little they learn because no matter what you do, kids who are serious about studies will learn In any case and those not interested will atlest attend school If not study..and indirectly In remote areas It may stop child labour
In the long run does it really matter to have children who have gone to school just for the fun of it ? Child labor is in fact encouraged by the parents themselves and they will give preference to monetary gains rather than send the child to school. I am sure there are a few advantages but the disadvantages outnumber them easily. I have seen in my own school how everybody , the students and teachers are taking it easy , because they have no exam worries.As a result when the child goes to 9th standard he or she is not able to cope with the sudden pressure. Then starts the cycle of tuition and extra coaching ..
Those children who are interested in studies on their own will study in any case. The education system has been simplified to a great extent with activities, the cumulative assessment with marks being given for every aspect be it class work, home work, class response, writing abilities, language skills and so on. The idea is to bring out best without creating the fear of exams. Teachers of course are overworked in the process but most of the time they do give in their best. It was done with a good intention of imparting quality education and motivating the weaker ones. Another aim of trying to get children to go to school was to identify their hidden talent since every child it good at something be it art, craft, music or whatever. This would help the children especially the underprivileged ones to make a living for themselves. Child labour is encouraged by the parents mostly for money, true..but in many cases when parents see some kind of potential in their kids they start sending them to school. Now, if they start failing because of their academic weakness, parents may simply say"its better to stay at home and lend a helping hand rather than go to school and fail'. But yes, I do agree that a section of students are beyond any kind of motivation and in spite of the assessment system being so simple are unable to give in their best. Would have been good if some kind of balance could have been worked out..like retest till you clear it or reduce the pass mark.
Your views make a lot of sense but in India many parents from the poorer sections need to be made aware of the importance of education because they see only the immediate benefits like free mid day meal and no tension of study, so that the child can come back and do the house work without having to bother about studies too much.I have seen this attitude. In fact even the middle class mothers are happy that they don't have to worry about teaching their children and so on...
I totally agree with your views about bringing out hidden talents of a child if any...But do we have a system that does it? we certainly don't.I remember when I was a child we would have drawing, sewing,gardening, music and debate and arts as part of the curriculum , and students could choose whatever interested them.Now we have no provision even for a proper library hour or sports which is played after school hours.
Thats absolutely true about parents from the economically weaker sections and it is really a big challenge to convince them...but then one can only try.
The Central Board schools do have co-curricular activities and sports mandatory for all students which cover almost every thing from dance, music, art, craft, public speaking and also a talent show is conducted in many schools where children just have to do what they like best.
10 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
chinmoymukherjee wrote:This policy primarily seeks to achieve the goal of of fighting the problem of early drop-out among students,especially ones hailing from submerged sections. Now the question emanates is how far it succeeds in this direction. Any system predicated upon this narrow proposition overlooking the quality aspect which calls for a rational,objective and scientific evaluation is doomed to fail. Prof. Amartya Seen has already voiced his grave concerns over the state of primary education in the country.By pursuing this policy one can ensure retention but ultimately that can not prevent students dropping out on their own.Our class-room teaching is yet to graduate to a stage where the specific needs of bright,average and laggards.
True Chinmoy, merely promoting children upto 8th std is simply not working for the children from submerged sections, primarily to whom this policy had been originally targetted. Other children from private and better schools do have a grading system and it is ensured that the children maintain grades at all times. But for the EBC children, the quality of education is extremely dismal and there are simply no measures employed to improve them. Efforts are being made to keep children in school such as no detention, midday meals etc. but real education still does not happen. Result is the children still drop out, but only after 8th std and they still cannot even read or write or even do very simple primary level maths.
10 years ago
Lopamudra replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
chinmoymukherjee wrote:This policy primarily seeks to achieve the goal of of fighting the problem of early drop-out among students,especially ones hailing from submerged sections. Now the question emanates is how far it succeeds in this direction. Any system predicated upon this narrow proposition overlooking the quality aspect which calls for a rational,objective and scientific evaluation is doomed to fail. Prof. Amartya Seen has already voiced his grave concerns over the state of primary education in the country.By pursuing this policy one can ensure retention but ultimately that can not prevent students dropping out on their own.Our class-room teaching is yet to graduate to a stage where the specific needs of bright,average and laggards.
True about class room teaching in the areas at which the idea was aimed (The elite schools of course are leaving not leaving any stone unturned to produce geniuses). Drop out levels and suicide levels had reduced but students were not being serious about their studies. Now the issue is to choose between all children going to school to learn /participate in school activities irrespective of their results (which is mostly poor) and some children not going to school at all
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
learning is always tedious and needs concentration, hard work and also sacrifice to a certain extent and this needs overall discipline. educational standard may be not of the highest quality. but that should not be the reason for our children just to go free with automatic get through not testing their standard,
10 years ago
usha manohar replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
Lopamudra wrote:
usha manohar wrote:
Lopamudra wrote:
I agree with you because I have seen how lightly some students take their studies, knowing perfectly well that they will be promoted to the next class no matter how bad their results are. However, there's a flip side that If the examination marking Is strict, there will be more drop outs, more pressure leading to suicides, running away from home etc..and children do take such extreme steps. One can argue that at least we will have an educated society..whatever little they learn because no matter what you do, kids who are serious about studies will learn In any case and those not interested will atlest attend school If not study..and indirectly In remote areas It may stop child labour
In the long run does it really matter to have children who have gone to school just for the fun of it ? Child labor is in fact encouraged by the parents themselves and they will give preference to monetary gains rather than send the child to school. I am sure there are a few advantages but the disadvantages outnumber them easily. I have seen in my own school how everybody , the students and teachers are taking it easy , because they have no exam worries.As a result when the child goes to 9th standard he or she is not able to cope with the sudden pressure. Then starts the cycle of tuition and extra coaching ..
Those children who are interested in studies on their own will study in any case. The education system has been simplified to a great extent with activities, the cumulative assessment with marks being given for every aspect be it class work, home work, class response, writing abilities, language skills and so on. The idea is to bring out best without creating the fear of exams. Teachers of course are overworked in the process but most of the time they do give in their best. It was done with a good intention of imparting quality education and motivating the weaker ones. Another aim of trying to get children to go to school was to identify their hidden talent since every child it good at something be it art, craft, music or whatever. This would help the children especially the underprivileged ones to make a living for themselves. Child labour is encouraged by the parents mostly for money, true..but in many cases when parents see some kind of potential in their kids they start sending them to school. Now, if they start failing because of their academic weakness, parents may simply say"its better to stay at home and lend a helping hand rather than go to school and fail'. But yes, I do agree that a section of students are beyond any kind of motivation and in spite of the assessment system being so simple are unable to give in their best. Would have been good if some kind of balance could have been worked out..like retest till you clear it or reduce the pass mark.
Your views make a lot of sense but in India many parents from the poorer sections need to be made aware of the importance of education because they see only the immediate benefits like free mid day meal and no tension of study, so that the child can come back and do the house work without having to bother about studies too much.I have seen this attitude. In fact even the middle class mothers are happy that they don't have to worry about teaching their children and so on...
I totally agree with your views about bringing out hidden talents of a child if any...But do we have a system that does it? we certainly don't.I remember when I was a child we would have drawing, sewing,gardening, music and debate and arts as part of the curriculum , and students could choose whatever interested them.Now we have no provision even for a proper library hour or sports which is played after school hours.
10 years ago
chinmoymukherjee replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
This policy primarily seeks to achieve the goal of
of fighting the problem of early drop-out
among students,especially ones hailing
from submerged sections. Now the question
emanates is how far it succeeds in this
direction. Any system predicated upon this
narrow proposition overlooking the quality
aspect which calls for a rational,objective
and scientific evaluation is doomed to fail.
Prof. Amartya Seen has already voiced his
grave concerns over the state of primary
education in the country.By pursuing this
policy one can ensure retention but ultimately
that can not prevent students dropping out
on their own.Our class-room teaching is yet
to graduate to a stage where the specific
needs of bright,average and laggards.
10 years ago
chinmoymukherjee replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
This policy primarily seeks to achieve the goal of
of fighting the problem of early drop-out
among students,especially ones hailing
from submerged sections. Now the question
emanates is how far it succeeds in this
direction. Any system predicated upon this
narrow proposition overlooking the quality
aspect which calls for a rational,objective
and scientific evaluation is doomed to fail.
Prof. Amartya Seen has already voiced his
grave concerns over the state of primary
education in the country.By pursuing this
policy one can ensure retention but ultimately
that can not prevent students dropping out
on their own.Our class-room teaching is yet
to graduate to a stage where the specific
needs of bright,average and laggards.
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
If the idea is to bring out best without creating the fear of exams. avoiding detention will act as counter productive. Avoiding detention creates a care free attitude in the student. Complacency takes place. Complacency is the root of all failures in any field, be it in sports or in education.
10 years ago
Lopamudra replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
usha manohar wrote:
Lopamudra wrote:
I agree with you because I have seen how lightly some students take their studies, knowing perfectly well that they will be promoted to the next class no matter how bad their results are. However, there's a flip side that If the examination marking Is strict, there will be more drop outs, more pressure leading to suicides, running away from home etc..and children do take such extreme steps. One can argue that at least we will have an educated society..whatever little they learn because no matter what you do, kids who are serious about studies will learn In any case and those not interested will atlest attend school If not study..and indirectly In remote areas It may stop child labour
In the long run does it really matter to have children who have gone to school just for the fun of it ? Child labor is in fact encouraged by the parents themselves and they will give preference to monetary gains rather than send the child to school. I am sure there are a few advantages but the disadvantages outnumber them easily. I have seen in my own school how everybody , the students and teachers are taking it easy , because they have no exam worries.As a result when the child goes to 9th standard he or she is not able to cope with the sudden pressure. Then starts the cycle of tuition and extra coaching ..
Those children who are interested in studies on their own will study in any case. The education system has been simplified to a great extent with activities, the cumulative assessment with marks being given for every aspect be it class work, home work, class response, writing abilities, language skills and so on. The idea is to bring out best without creating the fear of exams. Teachers of course are overworked in the process but most of the time they do give in their best. It was done with a good intention of imparting quality education and motivating the weaker ones. Another aim of trying to get children to go to school was to identify their hidden talent since every child it good at something be it art, craft, music or whatever. This would help the children especially the underprivileged ones to make a living for themselves. Child labour is encouraged by the parents mostly for money, true..but in many cases when parents see some kind of potential in their kids they start sending them to school. Now, if they start failing because of their academic weakness, parents may simply say"its better to stay at home and lend a helping hand rather than go to school and fail'. But yes, I do agree that a section of students are beyond any kind of motivation and in spite of the assessment system being so simple are unable to give in their best. Would have been good if some kind of balance could have been worked out..like retest till you clear it or reduce the pass mark.
10 years ago
rambabu created new topic A Dalit with a Midas touch..
Kalpana Saroj, a Dalit woman who was called yesterday as dirty, ugly, a "little packet of poison," the offspring of donkeys. These days, ? Kalpana Saroj is called something else: a MILLIONAIRE.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/18/world/la-fg-india-caste-20120419
10 years ago
rambabu created new topic An inspirational Tweet by Ratan Tata.
Germany is a highly industrialized country. In such a country, many will think its people lead a luxurious life.
Is it true?
Here is a Tweet by Ratan Tata that dispels our doubts about wrong conceptions on Food wastage and luxuries.
http://www.proud2bindian.in/showthread.php?t=9515
10 years ago
rambabu created new topic Talented bread flinger in south India.
Have a look at the amazing skill of this Bread Flinger.
http://boingboing.net/2010/02/26/talented-bread-fling.html
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
Exams area must to the students. Exams are the yard sticks to ascertain the the student's worth to enter into higher studies. A detention less education system will make Fools. And these Fools' last resort will be Politics. Result is Country will be in the hands of FOOLS.
10 years ago
bhuyali saroj replied to the topic Reasons to feel Proud to be an Indian .
i feel proud for these country INDIA because the people of these country are very brotherly
10 years ago
usha manohar replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
Lopamudra wrote:
usha manohar wrote:
Lopamudra wrote:
usha manohar wrote:
Lopamudra wrote:
I agree with you because I have seen how lightly some students take their studies, knowing perfectly well that they will be promoted to the next class no matter how bad their results are. However, there's a flip side that If the examination marking Is strict, there will be more drop outs, more pressure leading to suicides, running away from home etc..and children do take such extreme steps. One can argue that at least we will have an educated society..whatever little they learn because no matter what you do, kids who are serious about studies will learn In any case and those not interested will atlest attend school If not study..and indirectly In remote areas It may stop child labour
In the long run does it really matter to have children who have gone to school just for the fun of it ? Child labor is in fact encouraged by the parents themselves and they will give preference to monetary gains rather than send the child to school. I am sure there are a few advantages but the disadvantages outnumber them easily. I have seen in my own school how everybody , the students and teachers are taking it easy , because they have no exam worries.As a result when the child goes to 9th standard he or she is not able to cope with the sudden pressure. Then starts the cycle of tuition and extra coaching ..
Those children who are interested in studies on their own will study in any case. The education system has been simplified to a great extent with activities, the cumulative assessment with marks being given for every aspect be it class work, home work, class response, writing abilities, language skills and so on. The idea is to bring out best without creating the fear of exams. Teachers of course are overworked in the process but most of the time they do give in their best. It was done with a good intention of imparting quality education and motivating the weaker ones. Another aim of trying to get children to go to school was to identify their hidden talent since every child it good at something be it art, craft, music or whatever. This would help the children especially the underprivileged ones to make a living for themselves. Child labour is encouraged by the parents mostly for money, true..but in many cases when parents see some kind of potential in their kids they start sending them to school. Now, if they start failing because of their academic weakness, parents may simply say"its better to stay at home and lend a helping hand rather than go to school and fail'. But yes, I do agree that a section of students are beyond any kind of motivation and in spite of the assessment system being so simple are unable to give in their best. Would have been good if some kind of balance could have been worked out..like retest till you clear it or reduce the pass mark.
Your views make a lot of sense but in India many parents from the poorer sections need to be made aware of the importance of education because they see only the immediate benefits like free mid day meal and no tension of study, so that the child can come back and do the house work without having to bother about studies too much.I have seen this attitude. In fact even the middle class mothers are happy that they don't have to worry about teaching their children and so on...
I totally agree with your views about bringing out hidden talents of a child if any...But do we have a system that does it? we certainly don't.I remember when I was a child we would have drawing, sewing,gardening, music and debate and arts as part of the curriculum , and students could choose whatever interested them.Now we have no provision even for a proper library hour or sports which is played after school hours.
Thats absolutely true about parents from the economically weaker sections and it is really a big challenge to convince them...but then one can only try.
The Central Board schools do have co-curricular activities and sports mandatory for all students which cover almost every thing from dance, music, art, craft, public speaking and also a talent show is conducted in many schools where children just have to do what they like best.
Many state run schools to come under this policy where there are very few facilities, not even a proper roof over the head in some cases ! The no detention policy was started with the hope of bringing in more students but it is also true that the quality has got diluted in the process !
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
Most of the parents are interested in only seeing their children in the prestigious corporate schools. Corporate schools make the children Robots. Children are made to memorize the things and vomit in the examinations without thought of the meaning; in a mechanical way.
With this attitude of the parents it is practically impossible to convince them
10 years ago
Lopamudra replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
chinmoymukherjee wrote:This policy primarily seeks to achieve the goal of of fighting the problem of early drop-out among students,especially ones hailing from submerged sections. Now the question emanates is how far it succeeds in this direction. Any system predicated upon this narrow proposition overlooking the quality aspect which calls for a rational,objective and scientific evaluation is doomed to fail. Prof. Amartya Seen has already voiced his grave concerns over the state of primary education in the country.By pursuing this policy one can ensure retention but ultimately that can not prevent students dropping out on their own.Our class-room teaching is yet to graduate to a stage where the specific needs of bright,average and laggards.
True Chinmoy, merely promoting children upto 8th std is simply not working for the children from submerged sections, primarily to whom this policy had been originally targetted. Other children from private and better schools do have a grading system and it is ensured that the children maintain grades at all times. But for the EBC children, the quality of education is extremely dismal and there are simply no measures employed to improve them. Efforts are being made to keep children in school such as no detention, midday meals etc. but real education still does not happen. Result is the children still drop out, but only after 8th std and they still cannot even read or write or even do very simple primary level maths.
That is precisely the point. At least they are going to school till class 8. They have learned something even if not to the level expected. That is better than staying at home. Even if a small percent of these students are motivated to study further , it is an achievement. Problem is more with the ones who have the ability to do well and just because of no detention policy take it easy. Anyways, it would definitely be preferable to find a balance between the two situations.
10 years ago
Manoj Kumar Lamba answered the question Will it help if you have the same political party in power at both the central government and the state government.
If there are same political parties at center and state, then there will be better coordination and center will help state without any political issues.
10 years ago
Lopamudra replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
usha manohar wrote:
Lopamudra wrote:
usha manohar wrote:
Lopamudra wrote:
I agree with you because I have seen how lightly some students take their studies, knowing perfectly well that they will be promoted to the next class no matter how bad their results are. However, there's a flip side that If the examination marking Is strict, there will be more drop outs, more pressure leading to suicides, running away from home etc..and children do take such extreme steps. One can argue that at least we will have an educated society..whatever little they learn because no matter what you do, kids who are serious about studies will learn In any case and those not interested will atlest attend school If not study..and indirectly In remote areas It may stop child labour
In the long run does it really matter to have children who have gone to school just for the fun of it ? Child labor is in fact encouraged by the parents themselves and they will give preference to monetary gains rather than send the child to school. I am sure there are a few advantages but the disadvantages outnumber them easily. I have seen in my own school how everybody , the students and teachers are taking it easy , because they have no exam worries.As a result when the child goes to 9th standard he or she is not able to cope with the sudden pressure. Then starts the cycle of tuition and extra coaching ..
Those children who are interested in studies on their own will study in any case. The education system has been simplified to a great extent with activities, the cumulative assessment with marks being given for every aspect be it class work, home work, class response, writing abilities, language skills and so on. The idea is to bring out best without creating the fear of exams. Teachers of course are overworked in the process but most of the time they do give in their best. It was done with a good intention of imparting quality education and motivating the weaker ones. Another aim of trying to get children to go to school was to identify their hidden talent since every child it good at something be it art, craft, music or whatever. This would help the children especially the underprivileged ones to make a living for themselves. Child labour is encouraged by the parents mostly for money, true..but in many cases when parents see some kind of potential in their kids they start sending them to school. Now, if they start failing because of their academic weakness, parents may simply say"its better to stay at home and lend a helping hand rather than go to school and fail'. But yes, I do agree that a section of students are beyond any kind of motivation and in spite of the assessment system being so simple are unable to give in their best. Would have been good if some kind of balance could have been worked out..like retest till you clear it or reduce the pass mark.
Your views make a lot of sense but in India many parents from the poorer sections need to be made aware of the importance of education because they see only the immediate benefits like free mid day meal and no tension of study, so that the child can come back and do the house work without having to bother about studies too much.I have seen this attitude. In fact even the middle class mothers are happy that they don't have to worry about teaching their children and so on...
I totally agree with your views about bringing out hidden talents of a child if any...But do we have a system that does it? we certainly don't.I remember when I was a child we would have drawing, sewing,gardening, music and debate and arts as part of the curriculum , and students could choose whatever interested them.Now we have no provision even for a proper library hour or sports which is played after school hours.
Thats absolutely true about parents from the economically weaker sections and it is really a big challenge to convince them...but then one can only try.
The Central Board schools do have co-curricular activities and sports mandatory for all students which cover almost every thing from dance, music, art, craft, public speaking and also a talent show is conducted in many schools where children just have to do what they like best.
10 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
chinmoymukherjee wrote:This policy primarily seeks to achieve the goal of of fighting the problem of early drop-out among students,especially ones hailing from submerged sections. Now the question emanates is how far it succeeds in this direction. Any system predicated upon this narrow proposition overlooking the quality aspect which calls for a rational,objective and scientific evaluation is doomed to fail. Prof. Amartya Seen has already voiced his grave concerns over the state of primary education in the country.By pursuing this policy one can ensure retention but ultimately that can not prevent students dropping out on their own.Our class-room teaching is yet to graduate to a stage where the specific needs of bright,average and laggards.
True Chinmoy, merely promoting children upto 8th std is simply not working for the children from submerged sections, primarily to whom this policy had been originally targetted. Other children from private and better schools do have a grading system and it is ensured that the children maintain grades at all times. But for the EBC children, the quality of education is extremely dismal and there are simply no measures employed to improve them. Efforts are being made to keep children in school such as no detention, midday meals etc. but real education still does not happen. Result is the children still drop out, but only after 8th std and they still cannot even read or write or even do very simple primary level maths.
10 years ago
Lopamudra replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
chinmoymukherjee wrote:This policy primarily seeks to achieve the goal of of fighting the problem of early drop-out among students,especially ones hailing from submerged sections. Now the question emanates is how far it succeeds in this direction. Any system predicated upon this narrow proposition overlooking the quality aspect which calls for a rational,objective and scientific evaluation is doomed to fail. Prof. Amartya Seen has already voiced his grave concerns over the state of primary education in the country.By pursuing this policy one can ensure retention but ultimately that can not prevent students dropping out on their own.Our class-room teaching is yet to graduate to a stage where the specific needs of bright,average and laggards.
True about class room teaching in the areas at which the idea was aimed (The elite schools of course are leaving not leaving any stone unturned to produce geniuses). Drop out levels and suicide levels had reduced but students were not being serious about their studies. Now the issue is to choose between all children going to school to learn /participate in school activities irrespective of their results (which is mostly poor) and some children not going to school at all
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
learning is always tedious and needs concentration, hard work and also sacrifice to a certain extent and this needs overall discipline. educational standard may be not of the highest quality. but that should not be the reason for our children just to go free with automatic get through not testing their standard,
10 years ago
usha manohar replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
Lopamudra wrote:
usha manohar wrote:
Lopamudra wrote:
I agree with you because I have seen how lightly some students take their studies, knowing perfectly well that they will be promoted to the next class no matter how bad their results are. However, there's a flip side that If the examination marking Is strict, there will be more drop outs, more pressure leading to suicides, running away from home etc..and children do take such extreme steps. One can argue that at least we will have an educated society..whatever little they learn because no matter what you do, kids who are serious about studies will learn In any case and those not interested will atlest attend school If not study..and indirectly In remote areas It may stop child labour
In the long run does it really matter to have children who have gone to school just for the fun of it ? Child labor is in fact encouraged by the parents themselves and they will give preference to monetary gains rather than send the child to school. I am sure there are a few advantages but the disadvantages outnumber them easily. I have seen in my own school how everybody , the students and teachers are taking it easy , because they have no exam worries.As a result when the child goes to 9th standard he or she is not able to cope with the sudden pressure. Then starts the cycle of tuition and extra coaching ..
Those children who are interested in studies on their own will study in any case. The education system has been simplified to a great extent with activities, the cumulative assessment with marks being given for every aspect be it class work, home work, class response, writing abilities, language skills and so on. The idea is to bring out best without creating the fear of exams. Teachers of course are overworked in the process but most of the time they do give in their best. It was done with a good intention of imparting quality education and motivating the weaker ones. Another aim of trying to get children to go to school was to identify their hidden talent since every child it good at something be it art, craft, music or whatever. This would help the children especially the underprivileged ones to make a living for themselves. Child labour is encouraged by the parents mostly for money, true..but in many cases when parents see some kind of potential in their kids they start sending them to school. Now, if they start failing because of their academic weakness, parents may simply say"its better to stay at home and lend a helping hand rather than go to school and fail'. But yes, I do agree that a section of students are beyond any kind of motivation and in spite of the assessment system being so simple are unable to give in their best. Would have been good if some kind of balance could have been worked out..like retest till you clear it or reduce the pass mark.
Your views make a lot of sense but in India many parents from the poorer sections need to be made aware of the importance of education because they see only the immediate benefits like free mid day meal and no tension of study, so that the child can come back and do the house work without having to bother about studies too much.I have seen this attitude. In fact even the middle class mothers are happy that they don't have to worry about teaching their children and so on...
I totally agree with your views about bringing out hidden talents of a child if any...But do we have a system that does it? we certainly don't.I remember when I was a child we would have drawing, sewing,gardening, music and debate and arts as part of the curriculum , and students could choose whatever interested them.Now we have no provision even for a proper library hour or sports which is played after school hours.
10 years ago
chinmoymukherjee replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
This policy primarily seeks to achieve the goal of
of fighting the problem of early drop-out
among students,especially ones hailing
from submerged sections. Now the question
emanates is how far it succeeds in this
direction. Any system predicated upon this
narrow proposition overlooking the quality
aspect which calls for a rational,objective
and scientific evaluation is doomed to fail.
Prof. Amartya Seen has already voiced his
grave concerns over the state of primary
education in the country.By pursuing this
policy one can ensure retention but ultimately
that can not prevent students dropping out
on their own.Our class-room teaching is yet
to graduate to a stage where the specific
needs of bright,average and laggards.
10 years ago
chinmoymukherjee replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
This policy primarily seeks to achieve the goal of
of fighting the problem of early drop-out
among students,especially ones hailing
from submerged sections. Now the question
emanates is how far it succeeds in this
direction. Any system predicated upon this
narrow proposition overlooking the quality
aspect which calls for a rational,objective
and scientific evaluation is doomed to fail.
Prof. Amartya Seen has already voiced his
grave concerns over the state of primary
education in the country.By pursuing this
policy one can ensure retention but ultimately
that can not prevent students dropping out
on their own.Our class-room teaching is yet
to graduate to a stage where the specific
needs of bright,average and laggards.
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
If the idea is to bring out best without creating the fear of exams. avoiding detention will act as counter productive. Avoiding detention creates a care free attitude in the student. Complacency takes place. Complacency is the root of all failures in any field, be it in sports or in education.
10 years ago
Lopamudra replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
usha manohar wrote:
Lopamudra wrote:
I agree with you because I have seen how lightly some students take their studies, knowing perfectly well that they will be promoted to the next class no matter how bad their results are. However, there's a flip side that If the examination marking Is strict, there will be more drop outs, more pressure leading to suicides, running away from home etc..and children do take such extreme steps. One can argue that at least we will have an educated society..whatever little they learn because no matter what you do, kids who are serious about studies will learn In any case and those not interested will atlest attend school If not study..and indirectly In remote areas It may stop child labour
In the long run does it really matter to have children who have gone to school just for the fun of it ? Child labor is in fact encouraged by the parents themselves and they will give preference to monetary gains rather than send the child to school. I am sure there are a few advantages but the disadvantages outnumber them easily. I have seen in my own school how everybody , the students and teachers are taking it easy , because they have no exam worries.As a result when the child goes to 9th standard he or she is not able to cope with the sudden pressure. Then starts the cycle of tuition and extra coaching ..
Those children who are interested in studies on their own will study in any case. The education system has been simplified to a great extent with activities, the cumulative assessment with marks being given for every aspect be it class work, home work, class response, writing abilities, language skills and so on. The idea is to bring out best without creating the fear of exams. Teachers of course are overworked in the process but most of the time they do give in their best. It was done with a good intention of imparting quality education and motivating the weaker ones. Another aim of trying to get children to go to school was to identify their hidden talent since every child it good at something be it art, craft, music or whatever. This would help the children especially the underprivileged ones to make a living for themselves. Child labour is encouraged by the parents mostly for money, true..but in many cases when parents see some kind of potential in their kids they start sending them to school. Now, if they start failing because of their academic weakness, parents may simply say"its better to stay at home and lend a helping hand rather than go to school and fail'. But yes, I do agree that a section of students are beyond any kind of motivation and in spite of the assessment system being so simple are unable to give in their best. Would have been good if some kind of balance could have been worked out..like retest till you clear it or reduce the pass mark.
10 years ago
rambabu created new topic A Dalit with a Midas touch..
Kalpana Saroj, a Dalit woman who was called yesterday as dirty, ugly, a "little packet of poison," the offspring of donkeys. These days, ? Kalpana Saroj is called something else: a MILLIONAIRE.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/18/world/la-fg-india-caste-20120419
10 years ago
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Germany is a highly industrialized country. In such a country, many will think its people lead a luxurious life.
Is it true?
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http://www.proud2bindian.in/showthread.php?t=9515
10 years ago
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Have a look at the amazing skill of this Bread Flinger.
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10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Should the 'No detention policy' be scrapped?.
Exams area must to the students. Exams are the yard sticks to ascertain the the student's worth to enter into higher studies. A detention less education system will make Fools. And these Fools' last resort will be Politics. Result is Country will be in the hands of FOOLS.
10 years ago