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suni51 replied to the topic Is Destruction necessary to bring peace?.
rambabu wrote:
The incident of Asuras winning over Suras is a temporary triumph. Truth triumphs always. May be in a delayed manner.
But then who is sure about existence of Asuras and Devas, so I would prefer to judge what is good or bad for myself.
10 years ago
RAMAKRISHNAN. A said thank you to Neha Sadana for his/her reply to the topic Is Destruction necessary to bring peace?.
@Ramkrishnan
You got the point SIR, why god didnt try to prevent that war as he is supposed to do anything? Lord Krishna was not God but a God incarnate and he had limitations to take decisions. This means every thing happens by its own karma and God has no role in our lives.
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Will it be good to have a National Language in India?.
Yes many are not aware of this fact. They are under the impression, the entire south speaks " Madrasi language." There is no language called Madrasi language.
10 years ago
usha manohar replied to the topic Will it be good to have a National Language in India?.
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:
vijay wrote:
Nothing against Tamil, but why declare it a national language?
Hindi- North India and Tamil- South India. Giving status of national language to both will indicate national unity/ integration.
Why particularly Tamil, why not Kannada, Telugu or Malayalam? They are all spoken in different states ..
10 years ago
usha manohar liked a reply to the topic Will it be good to have a National Language in India?.
10 years ago
usha manohar replied to the topic OROP Announced by the Government after 42 years of deadlock !.
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:
rambabu wrote:
vijay wrote:
The thread initiator had written that Indira Gandhi had scrapped the OROP in 1973. @Gulshan says it was because of third pay commission abolishing the then prevailing system of pension calculation that the need for OROP arose in 1973. I tend to agree with Gulshanji's views as it is the correct position. I feel the references provided by @Rambabu and @Usha are not correct for which they are in no way responsible. Web based information portals are many times not reliable as they are not authenticated. My reason for pointing it out is to set the record straight as otherwise wrong information goes through. There was no OROP in 1973 and thus it could not have been scrapped.
Is there any basis for your info that there was no OROP in 1973?
I an a retired Defence employee. I was involved in pay fixation of 1973 pay commission report. Up to 1973, the army soldiers did not have any graded pay scales. Their pay was fixed according to chart showing pay on basis of lenghth of service and rank. This ensured that even if some body is promoted late, he would get the same pay as another promoted earlier but having same length of service. Similarly pension was fixed. The third c pay commission introduced pay scales. The pension is based on average emoluments in the last ten months. The pay commissions revise pay and pension in such a way that new comers gain more. So the old ones are relative losers. It is hence the system at fault and no individual including Indira Gandhi. It is not possible to give link as traditionally, all information about defence even pay scales are considered secret and the literature/ books are not available in market unlike civil books.
So in your opinion, this link and the Koshyari committee report has no relevance ??? And as the head of the nation, how is it that Indira Gandhi becomes blameless, that is news to me !
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Is Destruction necessary to bring peace?.
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:
rambabu wrote:
The incident of Asuras winning over Suras is a temporary triumph. Truth triumphs always. May be in a delayed manner.
Time is never ending. So there is nothing like ulktimate triumph. To elucidate, you are winner today. You may say this is ultiamate. Two years later another may win and he will say that his victory is ultimate. This goes on. In final analysis, nothing is ultimate. Moreover, good and evil are undefined. everyone would interpret according to self interest.
We evaluate everything in accordance with the existing norms. The incident of Asuras being defeated by Suras took place in Puranic age. Even today it is relevant, driving home the point that Truth triumphs ultimately. At least until today, this saying is applicable.
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Will it be good to have a National Language in India?.
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:
vijay wrote:
Nothing against Tamil, but why declare it a national language?
Hindi- North India and Tamil- South India. Giving status of national language to both will indicate national unity/ integration.
But the truth is Tamil no way connected with Malayalam spoken in Kerala, Kannada in Karnataka and Telugu in AP and Telangana.
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic OROP Announced by the Government after 42 years of deadlock !.
Whosoever is responsible or under what conditions delays took place for the delay of OROP is not necessary in the present conditions, when OROP has come into existence and most of the demands of Army personnel are met, with a possibility of better conditions in future, let's all celebrate.
But one thing is for sure. OROP the just demand of the Army was delayed for a long time.
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Some Physical traits that attract the people..
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:
Not only appearance but all personal traits for personality of a person. Each one has personal likes and dislikes. The traits that he likes attract him that dialikes distract him from other persons.
And those traits need not be related to beauty, fair skin or curly hair. Your conversational skills or your etiquette so on and so forth also makes people drag towards him.
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic What is the meaning of prayer?.
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:
rambabu wrote:
You go to god and pray when you are in difficulties. OK. Do you pray when there is no problem ?
Prayer to God or deity is ritual. so many pray on Tuesday or sunday or Friday according to religious belief. May be no problem. Then prayer may be for peace and harmony in society.
Prayer is submission of self before that nameless, formless and shapeless power to show gratitude for all that the power has given. But those prayers which request favors from the god and in return break the coconuts. burn the incense sticks is not prayer.
10 years ago
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani replied to the topic Some Physical traits that attract the people..
Not only appearance but all personal traits for personality of a person. Each one has personal likes and dislikes. The traits that he likes attract him that dialikes distract him from other persons.
10 years ago
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani replied to the topic OROP Announced by the Government after 42 years of deadlock !.
Let me here point out that the condition of service and pension is being improved since independence. Let us talk about pension only here. Initially, pensioners did not get any dearness relief. A pension once fixed was for life and there would never be change. Later they also got dearness relief like serving personnel. Also initially when pay was revised, pension was not revised. It goes credit to successive governments in independent India that pension is also revised along with serving personnel by the pay commissions. Also the medical allowance and CGHS facility were introduced by previous Congress governments. The present government definitely gets credit for one rank one pension. But it cannot be said that the congress governments did nothing for improving pay, pension and other benefits. Also the further iomprovement in future also cannot be ruled out.
10 years ago
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani replied to the topic Will it be good to have a National Language in India?.
vijay wrote:
Nothing against Tamil, but why declare it a national language?
Hindi- North India and Tamil- South India. Giving status of national language to both will indicate national unity/ integration.
10 years ago
Ranjan Kumar replied to the topic Is dreaming fruitful or waste of time!.
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
Dreaming is an ability that has been granted to only humans and what marks our difference from other life forms. Dreams are necessary because it is through dreams that we achieve greatness, ambition, innovation. But of course, a person who spends his time only dreaming about things but never takes any steps to bring them to reality, are futile dreams. Such dreams are waste and not ones that are used to achieve things.
Hi.I am totally agree with you Kalyani well said. Dream has its own importance in human life. I would like to say that dream is the thing which help us to achieve our goal in life.
10 years ago
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani replied to the topic What is the meaning of prayer?.
rambabu wrote:
You go to god and pray when you are in difficulties. OK. Do you pray when there is no problem ?
Prayer to God or deity is ritual. so many pray on Tuesday or sunday or Friday according to religious belief. May be no problem. Then prayer may be for peace and harmony in society.
10 years ago
Ranjan Kumar replied to the topic Will it be good to have a National Language in India?.
Yes, of-course every country have their national language then why should not in our country. I am totally agree with ram in our country caste problem which is major issue. But we all and government need to focus on it and it will definitely help to our nation and nation people. Most os the country using their own national language not giving importance to English but we all are just want to learn this foreign at any cost by giving huge amount of fees. It is not right we all need to protect Hindi, and to make it national language.
10 years ago
suni51 replied to the topic Is Destruction necessary to bring peace?.
rambabu wrote:
The incident of Asuras winning over Suras is a temporary triumph. Truth triumphs always. May be in a delayed manner.
But then who is sure about existence of Asuras and Devas, so I would prefer to judge what is good or bad for myself.
10 years ago
RAMAKRISHNAN. A said thank you to Neha Sadana for his/her reply to the topic Is Destruction necessary to bring peace?.
@Ramkrishnan
You got the point SIR, why god didnt try to prevent that war as he is supposed to do anything? Lord Krishna was not God but a God incarnate and he had limitations to take decisions. This means every thing happens by its own karma and God has no role in our lives.
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Will it be good to have a National Language in India?.
Yes many are not aware of this fact. They are under the impression, the entire south speaks " Madrasi language." There is no language called Madrasi language.
10 years ago
usha manohar replied to the topic Will it be good to have a National Language in India?.
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:
vijay wrote:
Nothing against Tamil, but why declare it a national language?
Hindi- North India and Tamil- South India. Giving status of national language to both will indicate national unity/ integration.
Why particularly Tamil, why not Kannada, Telugu or Malayalam? They are all spoken in different states ..
10 years ago
usha manohar liked a reply to the topic Will it be good to have a National Language in India?.
10 years ago
usha manohar replied to the topic OROP Announced by the Government after 42 years of deadlock !.
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:
rambabu wrote:
vijay wrote:
The thread initiator had written that Indira Gandhi had scrapped the OROP in 1973. @Gulshan says it was because of third pay commission abolishing the then prevailing system of pension calculation that the need for OROP arose in 1973. I tend to agree with Gulshanji's views as it is the correct position. I feel the references provided by @Rambabu and @Usha are not correct for which they are in no way responsible. Web based information portals are many times not reliable as they are not authenticated. My reason for pointing it out is to set the record straight as otherwise wrong information goes through. There was no OROP in 1973 and thus it could not have been scrapped.
Is there any basis for your info that there was no OROP in 1973?
I an a retired Defence employee. I was involved in pay fixation of 1973 pay commission report. Up to 1973, the army soldiers did not have any graded pay scales. Their pay was fixed according to chart showing pay on basis of lenghth of service and rank. This ensured that even if some body is promoted late, he would get the same pay as another promoted earlier but having same length of service. Similarly pension was fixed. The third c pay commission introduced pay scales. The pension is based on average emoluments in the last ten months. The pay commissions revise pay and pension in such a way that new comers gain more. So the old ones are relative losers. It is hence the system at fault and no individual including Indira Gandhi. It is not possible to give link as traditionally, all information about defence even pay scales are considered secret and the literature/ books are not available in market unlike civil books.
So in your opinion, this link and the Koshyari committee report has no relevance ??? And as the head of the nation, how is it that Indira Gandhi becomes blameless, that is news to me !
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Is Destruction necessary to bring peace?.
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:
rambabu wrote:
The incident of Asuras winning over Suras is a temporary triumph. Truth triumphs always. May be in a delayed manner.
Time is never ending. So there is nothing like ulktimate triumph. To elucidate, you are winner today. You may say this is ultiamate. Two years later another may win and he will say that his victory is ultimate. This goes on. In final analysis, nothing is ultimate. Moreover, good and evil are undefined. everyone would interpret according to self interest.
We evaluate everything in accordance with the existing norms. The incident of Asuras being defeated by Suras took place in Puranic age. Even today it is relevant, driving home the point that Truth triumphs ultimately. At least until today, this saying is applicable.
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Will it be good to have a National Language in India?.
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:
vijay wrote:
Nothing against Tamil, but why declare it a national language?
Hindi- North India and Tamil- South India. Giving status of national language to both will indicate national unity/ integration.
But the truth is Tamil no way connected with Malayalam spoken in Kerala, Kannada in Karnataka and Telugu in AP and Telangana.
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic OROP Announced by the Government after 42 years of deadlock !.
Whosoever is responsible or under what conditions delays took place for the delay of OROP is not necessary in the present conditions, when OROP has come into existence and most of the demands of Army personnel are met, with a possibility of better conditions in future, let's all celebrate.
But one thing is for sure. OROP the just demand of the Army was delayed for a long time.
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Some Physical traits that attract the people..
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:
Not only appearance but all personal traits for personality of a person. Each one has personal likes and dislikes. The traits that he likes attract him that dialikes distract him from other persons.
And those traits need not be related to beauty, fair skin or curly hair. Your conversational skills or your etiquette so on and so forth also makes people drag towards him.
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic What is the meaning of prayer?.
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:
rambabu wrote:
You go to god and pray when you are in difficulties. OK. Do you pray when there is no problem ?
Prayer to God or deity is ritual. so many pray on Tuesday or sunday or Friday according to religious belief. May be no problem. Then prayer may be for peace and harmony in society.
Prayer is submission of self before that nameless, formless and shapeless power to show gratitude for all that the power has given. But those prayers which request favors from the god and in return break the coconuts. burn the incense sticks is not prayer.
10 years ago
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani replied to the topic Some Physical traits that attract the people..
Not only appearance but all personal traits for personality of a person. Each one has personal likes and dislikes. The traits that he likes attract him that dialikes distract him from other persons.
10 years ago
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani replied to the topic OROP Announced by the Government after 42 years of deadlock !.
Let me here point out that the condition of service and pension is being improved since independence. Let us talk about pension only here. Initially, pensioners did not get any dearness relief. A pension once fixed was for life and there would never be change. Later they also got dearness relief like serving personnel. Also initially when pay was revised, pension was not revised. It goes credit to successive governments in independent India that pension is also revised along with serving personnel by the pay commissions. Also the medical allowance and CGHS facility were introduced by previous Congress governments. The present government definitely gets credit for one rank one pension. But it cannot be said that the congress governments did nothing for improving pay, pension and other benefits. Also the further iomprovement in future also cannot be ruled out.
10 years ago
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani replied to the topic Will it be good to have a National Language in India?.
vijay wrote:
Nothing against Tamil, but why declare it a national language?
Hindi- North India and Tamil- South India. Giving status of national language to both will indicate national unity/ integration.
10 years ago
Ranjan Kumar replied to the topic Is dreaming fruitful or waste of time!.
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
Dreaming is an ability that has been granted to only humans and what marks our difference from other life forms. Dreams are necessary because it is through dreams that we achieve greatness, ambition, innovation. But of course, a person who spends his time only dreaming about things but never takes any steps to bring them to reality, are futile dreams. Such dreams are waste and not ones that are used to achieve things.
Hi.I am totally agree with you Kalyani well said. Dream has its own importance in human life. I would like to say that dream is the thing which help us to achieve our goal in life.
10 years ago
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani replied to the topic What is the meaning of prayer?.
rambabu wrote:
You go to god and pray when you are in difficulties. OK. Do you pray when there is no problem ?
Prayer to God or deity is ritual. so many pray on Tuesday or sunday or Friday according to religious belief. May be no problem. Then prayer may be for peace and harmony in society.
10 years ago
Ranjan Kumar replied to the topic Will it be good to have a National Language in India?.
Yes, of-course every country have their national language then why should not in our country. I am totally agree with ram in our country caste problem which is major issue. But we all and government need to focus on it and it will definitely help to our nation and nation people. Most os the country using their own national language not giving importance to English but we all are just want to learn this foreign at any cost by giving huge amount of fees. It is not right we all need to protect Hindi, and to make it national language.
10 years ago