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usha manohar replied to the topic Indo Pak Relationship.
If the two countries can maintain at least friendly economic and social relationships that would be good enough rather than hope to have a united front which is impossible because that would give rise to many minor issues like having a common law that would be suitable to all cand so on..
10 years ago
vijay replied to the topic Indo Pak Relationship.
@Gulati : I fully appreciate your sentiments as you belong to the population which got uprooted due to partition. I also accept the fact that large percent of Muslims in the sub- continent are converts from Hinduism, either out of choice or force and thus are closely related to the ethos of undivided India. This was a contributory reason for both communities living cordially since long. However we are talking of today's times. There is a significant section of our population which wants India to become a Hindu country just like Pakistan is an Islamic country.
The ill treatment of minorities in Pakistan, reducing there share from 12% in 1947 to less than 2% today is used as a weapon by these forces. Also secularism is blamed for giving minorities more preference by these groups.
Pakistan has now traveled a long distance and become a nuclear power. Why should it lose its identity by merging with India. These are romanticised dreams which will never get fulfilled. However on a cultural front personal contacts can always take place. Unification is a very very distant dream perhaps not worth chasing.
10 years ago
Vinod Kumar Gulati replied to the topic Indo Pak Relationship.
Sir I still beg to differ. It is true that credit goes to the British for taking control of hundreds of the small kingdoms and defining the geographical boundry of the country but while granting freedom and partition they had granted liberty to those kingdoms to exercise their option to join any of the two countries. Since I belong to the family who had the brunt of the partition and had to migrate to India, having been stick to our religion, I had to say that the seeds of partition were laid by the British and some of the Muslim leaders were used for that cause.In our native village, there was nothing so ugly between Hindu and muslim families there. Indian Muslims are not foreigner to this country - they or their forefathers were forced to convert into Islam by the muslim aggressors. Many muslim families living in Bharat have respect and observe Hindu festivals alike. Similarly, those muslim families who have migrated to Pakistan but having some links with their relatives in Bharat remain interested in our festivals. Muslims living in this sub-continent have similar living styles. The differences if any are not indigenous. I understand that unification is difficult but it is not impossible if both countries continue cultural exchanges and it can get boost if Pakistan Government may understand the ground reality of their people. Unification can solve a number of problems in this sub-continent and we can work over that.
10 years ago
usha manohar created new topic Choice of profession.
Not many can choose a profession of their choice, and there have been many individual cases where people have changed their profession in the later stage of their life. I am sure many of us would change our professions given an opportunity ...your thoughts ?
10 years ago
vijay replied to the topic How doomsday could come .
The Big Bang theory assumes that the world started again after the previous one compressed into a big ball.
10 years ago
vijay replied to the topic Indo Pak Relationship.
The British have to be credited with the fact that they for the first time brought under their control the then undivided India and thus gave a geographical and political definition to it. Otherwise there would have been multiple countries which would have emerged from the numerable kingdoms that existed. Having come under one rule both Hindus and Muslims then indirectly and directly started carving out space for their religious controls which resulted in partition. It was inevitable and should be accepted as such without blaming anyone. It was history in action. These very reasons will not permit India and Pakistan uniting again.
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic India is a secular country but our leaders? .
Many are Black sheep who believe in making hay while the Sun shines. Loot the people and Nation as much as you can is their motto.In this process they do not hesitate to stoop down to any lower levels
10 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar said thank you to Manoj Kumar Lamba for his/her reply to the topic How doomsday could come .
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
Manoj Kumar Lamba wrote:
Every thing in the universe born and die. Even stars and galaxies born and die. In school days we have studied about the big bang theory and black hole.
Yes, we studied about the Big Bang Theory in school and at home were taught about the concept of the Trideva, Brahma Vishnu and Mahesha who are associated with this concept, in which Shiva is the Destroyer, Brahma the Creator and Vishnu - the Nurturer and each one gets his turn to do what he is supposed to. One may or may not believe in the concept and may choose to ridicule it, but it is the final truth that each thing has to have en end!
Science and religions have different theories about the evolution and destruction of the matter in universe. But the conclusion is same, there if there something is born, it will end one day.
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Wow, Smart phone for just Rs. 999 with free internet for one year..
Manoj Kumar Lamba wrote:
rambabu wrote:
Cost and performance should balance each other. And this applies to any product we buy including Smart Phone. It is not necessary that all cheap things perform badly and all expensive things perform well.
True, may be it will be not having all the features which a costly smartphone have, but may it satisfy the features which a common want to access at that cost.
It all depends on the preferences and priorities of the buyer. Mobile net connectivity is certainly useful for some. Simple communication may be the preference for some. Ease to communicate without fancy features may be helpful for most people. If the phone is of less cost and serve though not all, but some features, such phones are really useful.
10 years ago
Manoj Kumar Lamba replied to the topic How doomsday could come .
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
Manoj Kumar Lamba wrote:
Every thing in the universe born and die. Even stars and galaxies born and die. In school days we have studied about the big bang theory and black hole.
Yes, we studied about the Big Bang Theory in school and at home were taught about the concept of the Trideva, Brahma Vishnu and Mahesha who are associated with this concept, in which Shiva is the Destroyer, Brahma the Creator and Vishnu - the Nurturer and each one gets his turn to do what he is supposed to. One may or may not believe in the concept and may choose to ridicule it, but it is the final truth that each thing has to have en end!
Science and religions have different theories about the evolution and destruction of the matter in universe. But the conclusion is same, there if there something is born, it will end one day.
10 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar replied to the topic How doomsday could come .
Manoj Kumar Lamba wrote:
Every thing in the universe born and die. Even stars and galaxies born and die. In school days we have studied about the big bang theory and black hole.
Yes, we studied about the Big Bang Theory in school and at home were taught about the concept of the Trideva, Brahma Vishnu and Mahesha who are associated with this concept, in which Shiva is the Destroyer, Brahma the Creator and Vishnu - the Nurturer and each one gets his turn to do what he is supposed to. One may or may not believe in the concept and may choose to ridicule it, but it is the final truth that each thing has to have en end!
10 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar replied to the topic Today is 89th foundation day of my city, Sriganganagar.
I have heard about Sriganganagar from my army friends who have had the opportunity to live there and from what I heard, the place and the people are simply fabulous. I hope to visit your city one day!
10 years ago
Manoj Kumar Lamba replied to the topic How doomsday could come .
Every thing in the universe born and die. Even stars and galaxies born and die. In school days we have studied about the big bang theory and black hole.
10 years ago
Manoj Kumar Lamba said thank you to Kalyani Nandurkar for his/her reply to the topic How doomsday could come .
Manoj Kumar Lamba wrote:
Why to worry about the situation which is out of control of human being. About Dooms day, many predictions were made in history and no one happened to be true. Believe in god, be happy and enjoy your life.
Exactly...live now and rejoice the moments and enjoy the lovely doomsday movies produced in Hollywood I personally enjoy watching movies like 2012, The Day After Tomorrow, Deep Impact etc. that are based on exactly such number of variety of predictions. Why think of what is yet to come and be scared to death??
10 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar replied to the topic How doomsday could come .
Manoj Kumar Lamba wrote:
Why to worry about the situation which is out of control of human being. About Dooms day, many predictions were made in history and no one happened to be true. Believe in god, be happy and enjoy your life.
Exactly...live now and rejoice the moments and enjoy the lovely doomsday movies produced in Hollywood I personally enjoy watching movies like 2012, The Day After Tomorrow, Deep Impact etc. that are based on exactly such number of variety of predictions. Why think of what is yet to come and be scared to death??
10 years ago
Manoj Kumar Lamba replied to the topic India is a secular country but our leaders? .
rambabu wrote:
Secularism is a word can be seen Indian Constitution. Poor Babasaheb Ambedkar must be moving with restlessness seeing the rampant violations of Secularism.
Our leaders are anything but Secular. In every sphere of life violations of Secularism are conspicuously visible.
Our politicians have no religion, their only religion is seat which they try to get by any way. They spread hate between religions to win the elections. Politicians has no intention to work for their state or country, their only motive is to get more money and power.
10 years ago
Vinod Kumar Gulati wrote:
It has been seen in many cultural exchanges that the people of both countries have learnt something out of the partition. Both of them could not forget their past links. It is on the part of those only who have managed some posts in the Government, bureaucracy, army, politics and terror-oriented organizations which may never feel easy with the unification with the fear of loosing their present status. Secondly, Hindustan was also forced for the division - Mr.Jinnah and some of Indian politicians had become the puppets of the British who never wished this continent to be peaceful after their departure and finally divided the country into two parts. The British had started their evil as early as the year 1857. If it had been the choice of the people of both religions fully, the muslim families who did not migrate would have also gone to Pakistan at that time. The people of both countries can consider about the unification for a peaceful life ahead.
There is no denying that partition was painful and people who had to leave home were the worst affected. But the cause and the basis of partition and the tension thereafter is a different story altogether.If my knowledge serves me right, the idea of Muslim country was initially conceived by Md Iqbal( the creator of 'Sare Jahan se achcha' ). Jinnah although took the final step and therefore termed as the one responsible, was initially not keen on it and in fact was against it. The persuasion by Iqbal took quite a while to convince him. The logic behind the idea was -after independence, Muslims would never be able to gain majority and will forever remain minority since that had been the case even when Mughal empire was in power. So Pakistan should come into existance which would comprise of Punjab, Sind,Baluchstan (the name was derived from the first letters of these states).
Britishers had earlier played on the divide and rule policy for their convenience.When they knew they had to leave, they were not really interested whether we divided or stayed united. In fact, from what I've read, Mountbaten negotiated a great deal with Jinnah. The Britishers were in a hurry to leave not only due to the hostility they faced from India but also because their own country was in trouble. Radcliff was called from Britain to draw the LoC after the partition was decided.The problems that were there then,still remain. So, where is the possibility of unification.
So far as Govt gaining from having India divided is a little unbelievable because by unifying the nations the govt(any) will get the credit of doing the unimaginable. So, far as Army is concerned, their status has nothing to do with unification.If it had been, then even US army should be minus status because they don't have the Pakis as their neighbours. They will always be respected by most people whether Pakistan exists or not ..in fact religious tolerance is something one can learn from them. Being a retired Army officer's daughter I can vouch for that.
10 years ago
usha manohar replied to the topic Indo Pak Relationship.
If the two countries can maintain at least friendly economic and social relationships that would be good enough rather than hope to have a united front which is impossible because that would give rise to many minor issues like having a common law that would be suitable to all cand so on..
10 years ago
vijay replied to the topic Indo Pak Relationship.
@Gulati : I fully appreciate your sentiments as you belong to the population which got uprooted due to partition. I also accept the fact that large percent of Muslims in the sub- continent are converts from Hinduism, either out of choice or force and thus are closely related to the ethos of undivided India. This was a contributory reason for both communities living cordially since long. However we are talking of today's times. There is a significant section of our population which wants India to become a Hindu country just like Pakistan is an Islamic country.
The ill treatment of minorities in Pakistan, reducing there share from 12% in 1947 to less than 2% today is used as a weapon by these forces. Also secularism is blamed for giving minorities more preference by these groups.
Pakistan has now traveled a long distance and become a nuclear power. Why should it lose its identity by merging with India. These are romanticised dreams which will never get fulfilled. However on a cultural front personal contacts can always take place. Unification is a very very distant dream perhaps not worth chasing.
10 years ago
Vinod Kumar Gulati replied to the topic Indo Pak Relationship.
Sir I still beg to differ. It is true that credit goes to the British for taking control of hundreds of the small kingdoms and defining the geographical boundry of the country but while granting freedom and partition they had granted liberty to those kingdoms to exercise their option to join any of the two countries. Since I belong to the family who had the brunt of the partition and had to migrate to India, having been stick to our religion, I had to say that the seeds of partition were laid by the British and some of the Muslim leaders were used for that cause.In our native village, there was nothing so ugly between Hindu and muslim families there. Indian Muslims are not foreigner to this country - they or their forefathers were forced to convert into Islam by the muslim aggressors. Many muslim families living in Bharat have respect and observe Hindu festivals alike. Similarly, those muslim families who have migrated to Pakistan but having some links with their relatives in Bharat remain interested in our festivals. Muslims living in this sub-continent have similar living styles. The differences if any are not indigenous. I understand that unification is difficult but it is not impossible if both countries continue cultural exchanges and it can get boost if Pakistan Government may understand the ground reality of their people. Unification can solve a number of problems in this sub-continent and we can work over that.
10 years ago
usha manohar created new topic Choice of profession.
Not many can choose a profession of their choice, and there have been many individual cases where people have changed their profession in the later stage of their life. I am sure many of us would change our professions given an opportunity ...your thoughts ?
10 years ago
vijay replied to the topic How doomsday could come .
The Big Bang theory assumes that the world started again after the previous one compressed into a big ball.
10 years ago
vijay replied to the topic Indo Pak Relationship.
The British have to be credited with the fact that they for the first time brought under their control the then undivided India and thus gave a geographical and political definition to it. Otherwise there would have been multiple countries which would have emerged from the numerable kingdoms that existed. Having come under one rule both Hindus and Muslims then indirectly and directly started carving out space for their religious controls which resulted in partition. It was inevitable and should be accepted as such without blaming anyone. It was history in action. These very reasons will not permit India and Pakistan uniting again.
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic India is a secular country but our leaders? .
Many are Black sheep who believe in making hay while the Sun shines. Loot the people and Nation as much as you can is their motto.In this process they do not hesitate to stoop down to any lower levels
10 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar said thank you to Manoj Kumar Lamba for his/her reply to the topic How doomsday could come .
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
Manoj Kumar Lamba wrote:
Every thing in the universe born and die. Even stars and galaxies born and die. In school days we have studied about the big bang theory and black hole.
Yes, we studied about the Big Bang Theory in school and at home were taught about the concept of the Trideva, Brahma Vishnu and Mahesha who are associated with this concept, in which Shiva is the Destroyer, Brahma the Creator and Vishnu - the Nurturer and each one gets his turn to do what he is supposed to. One may or may not believe in the concept and may choose to ridicule it, but it is the final truth that each thing has to have en end!
Science and religions have different theories about the evolution and destruction of the matter in universe. But the conclusion is same, there if there something is born, it will end one day.
10 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Wow, Smart phone for just Rs. 999 with free internet for one year..
Manoj Kumar Lamba wrote:
rambabu wrote:
Cost and performance should balance each other. And this applies to any product we buy including Smart Phone. It is not necessary that all cheap things perform badly and all expensive things perform well.
True, may be it will be not having all the features which a costly smartphone have, but may it satisfy the features which a common want to access at that cost.
It all depends on the preferences and priorities of the buyer. Mobile net connectivity is certainly useful for some. Simple communication may be the preference for some. Ease to communicate without fancy features may be helpful for most people. If the phone is of less cost and serve though not all, but some features, such phones are really useful.
10 years ago
Manoj Kumar Lamba replied to the topic How doomsday could come .
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
Manoj Kumar Lamba wrote:
Every thing in the universe born and die. Even stars and galaxies born and die. In school days we have studied about the big bang theory and black hole.
Yes, we studied about the Big Bang Theory in school and at home were taught about the concept of the Trideva, Brahma Vishnu and Mahesha who are associated with this concept, in which Shiva is the Destroyer, Brahma the Creator and Vishnu - the Nurturer and each one gets his turn to do what he is supposed to. One may or may not believe in the concept and may choose to ridicule it, but it is the final truth that each thing has to have en end!
Science and religions have different theories about the evolution and destruction of the matter in universe. But the conclusion is same, there if there something is born, it will end one day.
10 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar replied to the topic How doomsday could come .
Manoj Kumar Lamba wrote:
Every thing in the universe born and die. Even stars and galaxies born and die. In school days we have studied about the big bang theory and black hole.
Yes, we studied about the Big Bang Theory in school and at home were taught about the concept of the Trideva, Brahma Vishnu and Mahesha who are associated with this concept, in which Shiva is the Destroyer, Brahma the Creator and Vishnu - the Nurturer and each one gets his turn to do what he is supposed to. One may or may not believe in the concept and may choose to ridicule it, but it is the final truth that each thing has to have en end!
10 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar replied to the topic Today is 89th foundation day of my city, Sriganganagar.
I have heard about Sriganganagar from my army friends who have had the opportunity to live there and from what I heard, the place and the people are simply fabulous. I hope to visit your city one day!
10 years ago
Manoj Kumar Lamba replied to the topic How doomsday could come .
Every thing in the universe born and die. Even stars and galaxies born and die. In school days we have studied about the big bang theory and black hole.
10 years ago
Manoj Kumar Lamba said thank you to Kalyani Nandurkar for his/her reply to the topic How doomsday could come .
Manoj Kumar Lamba wrote:
Why to worry about the situation which is out of control of human being. About Dooms day, many predictions were made in history and no one happened to be true. Believe in god, be happy and enjoy your life.
Exactly...live now and rejoice the moments and enjoy the lovely doomsday movies produced in Hollywood I personally enjoy watching movies like 2012, The Day After Tomorrow, Deep Impact etc. that are based on exactly such number of variety of predictions. Why think of what is yet to come and be scared to death??
10 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar replied to the topic How doomsday could come .
Manoj Kumar Lamba wrote:
Why to worry about the situation which is out of control of human being. About Dooms day, many predictions were made in history and no one happened to be true. Believe in god, be happy and enjoy your life.
Exactly...live now and rejoice the moments and enjoy the lovely doomsday movies produced in Hollywood I personally enjoy watching movies like 2012, The Day After Tomorrow, Deep Impact etc. that are based on exactly such number of variety of predictions. Why think of what is yet to come and be scared to death??
10 years ago
Manoj Kumar Lamba replied to the topic India is a secular country but our leaders? .
rambabu wrote:
Secularism is a word can be seen Indian Constitution. Poor Babasaheb Ambedkar must be moving with restlessness seeing the rampant violations of Secularism.
Our leaders are anything but Secular. In every sphere of life violations of Secularism are conspicuously visible.
Our politicians have no religion, their only religion is seat which they try to get by any way. They spread hate between religions to win the elections. Politicians has no intention to work for their state or country, their only motive is to get more money and power.
10 years ago
Vinod Kumar Gulati wrote:
It has been seen in many cultural exchanges that the people of both countries have learnt something out of the partition. Both of them could not forget their past links. It is on the part of those only who have managed some posts in the Government, bureaucracy, army, politics and terror-oriented organizations which may never feel easy with the unification with the fear of loosing their present status. Secondly, Hindustan was also forced for the division - Mr.Jinnah and some of Indian politicians had become the puppets of the British who never wished this continent to be peaceful after their departure and finally divided the country into two parts. The British had started their evil as early as the year 1857. If it had been the choice of the people of both religions fully, the muslim families who did not migrate would have also gone to Pakistan at that time. The people of both countries can consider about the unification for a peaceful life ahead.
There is no denying that partition was painful and people who had to leave home were the worst affected. But the cause and the basis of partition and the tension thereafter is a different story altogether.If my knowledge serves me right, the idea of Muslim country was initially conceived by Md Iqbal( the creator of 'Sare Jahan se achcha' ). Jinnah although took the final step and therefore termed as the one responsible, was initially not keen on it and in fact was against it. The persuasion by Iqbal took quite a while to convince him. The logic behind the idea was -after independence, Muslims would never be able to gain majority and will forever remain minority since that had been the case even when Mughal empire was in power. So Pakistan should come into existance which would comprise of Punjab, Sind,Baluchstan (the name was derived from the first letters of these states).
Britishers had earlier played on the divide and rule policy for their convenience.When they knew they had to leave, they were not really interested whether we divided or stayed united. In fact, from what I've read, Mountbaten negotiated a great deal with Jinnah. The Britishers were in a hurry to leave not only due to the hostility they faced from India but also because their own country was in trouble. Radcliff was called from Britain to draw the LoC after the partition was decided.The problems that were there then,still remain. So, where is the possibility of unification.
So far as Govt gaining from having India divided is a little unbelievable because by unifying the nations the govt(any) will get the credit of doing the unimaginable. So, far as Army is concerned, their status has nothing to do with unification.If it had been, then even US army should be minus status because they don't have the Pakis as their neighbours. They will always be respected by most people whether Pakistan exists or not ..in fact religious tolerance is something one can learn from them. Being a retired Army officer's daughter I can vouch for that.
10 years ago