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rambabu replied to the topic How should the rich be made to pay for their misbehavior?.
Do you think Paying high compensation will stop the crimes ? It's only through the Law implemented strictly can stop such crimes. Be it an Industrialist's daughter or an influential Politician's son, Offenders of law should be Booked. But sadly, it's not happening so in this country. The fact is, Law is not for the people. It's only for the rich who can buy the law.
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Should all crime investigations be public?.
I'm of the opinion,investigations should be made Public. In Swati's case, the madras high Court was not happy with with the Chennai police.the Chennai police was angry on its slackness. And ordered to find the killer within two days. If the investigations are not made public, Politicians will influence the investigations and see the real culprits escape.
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Is there any hope for some changes here .
The reason for some members' optimism is, their emotional link with this site since a long time.. These members faced such situations earlier too. Fortunately, this site could overcome those disgusting situations and stood firmly. All the members are quite hopeful that things will be normal sooner than later.
9 years ago
ABSIVAKUMAR created new topic How should the rich be made to pay for their misbehavior?.
A couple of days ago, three women, all highly placed IT employees, drove a car at top speed, and killed a poor man, in Chennai, at night. The lady on the wheel at that time, happens to be the daughter of an industrialist. She was high on booze and this was confirmed by the police as well.
The man is dead and gone and reports were there in the press, that the family did not have money to even conduct the funeral properly. The girl's photograph was published, she was arrested, but money makes several wonders in India, and she will happily come out on bail.
Instead of the horrible court case, that could even take up to ten years or more, why not make the rich family pay something like 25 lakh to the poor family, even before the court case was decided? Should we not have a law where such payment is made within ten days?
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic How to stop cinema from having negative influence on youth.
@ AB
I don't think any number of debates will solve this problem. Because Movies are meant for in expensive entertainment for majority of the people. But News Channels are condemning such heinous acts of youth. Swati's case has been highlighted in both print and Electronic media.
I agree with you that we need far more reforms on such issues.
9 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar replied to the topic How to stop cinema from having negative influence on youth.
ABSIVAKUMAR wrote:
Madam, why not promote some debates on local electronic media, even with the help of the police. so that this horrible trend can stop? In fact, some debate is already on in electronic media, though there are some stupid souls who say that the boy was innocent, he "thought" that the girl would love him, because she had always talked very well with him and so on. She had even explained that she was just a friend, but our boy went to the other ridiculous levels.
Only a huge amount of debates and some serious counseling of girl children in terms of being discreet in dealing with any man, can possibly help. But we seriously need far more reforms and one wonders where to start and how to go about it.
The problem with such debates is that they simply remain debates and nothing happens from it, it is all futile. I tried broaching this topic in the group of moms of my son and some of his classmates. We are a group 8-9 moms who frequently meet and discuss things and generally do something with our kids. There is a recent Marathi hit called Sairat which is again a story of underage love, the couple elopes, marry, has a kid and then one fine, the girls brother arrives and killes them both. It is a very big hit and just yesterday, one youth was arrested for burglary of lakhs of rupees simply because he needed money to go and see this heroine in real life. She is a 10th std student!!
'So when I broached the topic and tried to present my views against such movies, only one mom agreed with me and others were all quite fascinated by the movie! So I feel it better to keep my thoughts to myself and limit my education to my son and whoever agrees with me! Electronic debates are pointless, I can see no way it can ever reach any conclusion or positive outcome as far as such films are concerned.
9 years ago
ABSIVAKUMAR created new topic Should all crime investigations be public?.
Very recently, in the sensational Swati murder case in Chennai, the police were initially discreet in their methods. But when the Madras High Court came down heavily on the poor pace of investigation, the police decided to go all out, and the entire trail to the culprit, who has now confessed to the murder, was shown on electronic media, which actually went overboard in even interviewing people who happen to travel by the EMU trains at that early hour of the day.
The Madras High Court is reportedly now very angry that the media exposure has been too much. Where should one draw the line? In any sensational case like this, the media cannot be made to sit idle and do nothing. So, what should we do?
9 years ago
chinmoymukherjee replied to the topic Is there any hope for some changes here .
Let optimism of some members triumph! But my experience with men and matters dissuades me. I never pull off punches when the situation demands so.The systematic neglect and insult of members and their interests is not a sudden phenomenon. In fact I could clearly foresee it coming some time back. Lastly I would like to assert that my views are not mere presumptions but convictions based on pragmatism. I would be mad with joy if I am proved wrong!!
9 years ago
ABSIVAKUMAR replied to the topic How to stop cinema from having negative influence on youth.
Madam, why not promote some debates on local electronic media, even with the help of the police. so that this horrible trend can stop? In fact, some debate is already on in electronic media, though there are some stupid souls who say that the boy was innocent, he "thought" that the girl would love him, because she had always talked very well with him and so on. She had even explained that she was just a friend, but our boy went to the other ridiculous levels.
Only a huge amount of debates and some serious counseling of girl children in terms of being discreet in dealing with any man, can possibly help. But we seriously need far more reforms and one wonders where to start and how to go about it.
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic How to stop cinema from having negative influence on youth.
The influence of Cinema on the public, especially on youth is not a new thing. This trend is there even in AP. Kannada Cinema and Malayali Cinema are better than AP and Karnataka. 20 years ago the movie madness and craze was not this worst. I know Balachander of Tamil Nadu, Girish Karnad from Karnataka, Sethu Madhavan of Kerala and K. Viswanath of AP produced Memorable movies.
Today's trend is quite different. Most of the Movies produced are business oriented. Youth of today find pleasure in imitating Mediocre movies and the Heroes.
There are several road accidents are caused because of youth imitating their Favorite Movie heroes riding a Bike on the Public Roads.
Youth should know that the movie world is " make believe " world.
Ramkumar's case who is involved in Swati's murder case is not an exception.
9 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar replied to the topic How to stop cinema from having negative influence on youth.
It is not just Tamil films but recently even Marathi films have sadly gone the same way. What is most shocking is that top hits in the last 2-3 years have featured and promoted love affairs between underage teenagers, in which invariably the girl is shown from cultured, educated families and the boys from lower class, living in settlements etc. Following these films, a few cases happened where girls from good families foolishly fell for uneducated, uncouth boys working in garages and other such places and had to be rescued and counseled after significant emotional damage and in one instance, even physical abuse by the boy!
I doubt if we can do anything to stop such films being produced because sadly, these films get a large fan following and these people flock to cinemas to see them.
9 years ago
ABSIVAKUMAR created new topic How to stop cinema from having negative influence on youth.
Tamil Cinema is notoriously famous for one brand of story being told, again and again. A very ordinary looking "hero", who would actually be serving tea in a roadside tea stall, if he were to sheer luck not enter the film industry, would fall in love with a very beautiful girl, and chase her all over town to even the forests, and propose his love. The girl would naturally frown at him, but later "realize' his "true affection" for the hero, and eventually accept his love.
One horrible actor, Dhanush is guilty of bringing this theme, and there have been others who have faithfully imitated this formula.
However, in a State where the Cinema has a huge influence on youth, particularly men, the worst has recently happened -- a very ordinary looking Ramkumar, who had not even completed his Engineering degree, try to woo a girl called Swati, working in Infosys Technologies, in Chennai. The girl seemed to have mocked at his physical appearance and our hero had gone to ridiculous levels to look good. But the girl had just accepted him as a friend.
Unable to win her "love", this rascal has murdered her in broad daylight in the ever busy Nungambakkam station.
How should we go about reforming the society and stopping the bad influence of cinema? It was the case of this Ramkumar, obviously taking lessons from Tamil Cinema, but the same could be true of Telugu Cinema or even Kannada movies.
The point is, apart from moral education that is nowadays neglected badly, what are the various remedies possible, to reform young men and their fickle minds? How do we ensure that another Swati is not killed in the very same fashion?
9 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar replied to the topic Assessing Our Fitness Levels.
usha manohar wrote:
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
usha manohar wrote:
Normally one can remain healthy and very active until the age of eighty ...Most of the seniors in my own family are very fit because of their lifestyle which is hard work, going to the fields and supervising the work and working in the coconut gardens etc which keeps them healthy ...I remember once when we were in Goa, we would see a English couple jogging every morning on the beach and later when we got speaking to them , we were all surprised to hear that both of them were in their mid seventies, and so very fit !
Usha I too have seen many senior people who work in the farms so healthy and fit even in their late eighties and nineties. The best example I can give of such truly fit people is the hundreds and hundreds of simple peasant folks who are currently walking the holy pilgrimage of Vari from Pune to Pandharpur. These are all mostly farmers who have finished sowing their fields and are taking a respite of 15-16 days for Vari. Many of these people belong to ages between 70 and 90 years , some even beyond 90. This walk is not at all easy, the distance is almost 210 kilometres, it keeps raining incessantly and they have to climb up and down several steep ghats in the Sahyadri ranges. These people never have seen an inside of a gym, and hardly ever visit a doctor!
https://www.boddunan.com/articles/people-places/59-customs-and-culture/22765-pandharichi-vari-%E2%80%93-the-great-cultural-heritage-of-maharashtra-part-i.html
Thanks a lot for the link Kalyani ..I have seen really old people climb up Shravan Belgola during the Masthakabhisheka , they take rest every now and the but manage to climb all the way up. It is the energy levels , agility and more than anything mental determination that makes them do it..
There might numerous such examples of very old people making strenuous treks and climbs to places of pilgrimage so I think, even faith plays a vital role in mental and physical fitness, of course atheists would be ready to jump with sarcastic sniggers, but faith spur people on to accomplish feats that would normally be quite impossible to many. So in effect, simple living, hard work and faith is what basically required for any one to stay fit in life.
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic How should the rich be made to pay for their misbehavior?.
Do you think Paying high compensation will stop the crimes ? It's only through the Law implemented strictly can stop such crimes. Be it an Industrialist's daughter or an influential Politician's son, Offenders of law should be Booked. But sadly, it's not happening so in this country. The fact is, Law is not for the people. It's only for the rich who can buy the law.
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Should all crime investigations be public?.
I'm of the opinion,investigations should be made Public. In Swati's case, the madras high Court was not happy with with the Chennai police.the Chennai police was angry on its slackness. And ordered to find the killer within two days. If the investigations are not made public, Politicians will influence the investigations and see the real culprits escape.
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Is there any hope for some changes here .
The reason for some members' optimism is, their emotional link with this site since a long time.. These members faced such situations earlier too. Fortunately, this site could overcome those disgusting situations and stood firmly. All the members are quite hopeful that things will be normal sooner than later.
9 years ago
ABSIVAKUMAR created new topic How should the rich be made to pay for their misbehavior?.
A couple of days ago, three women, all highly placed IT employees, drove a car at top speed, and killed a poor man, in Chennai, at night. The lady on the wheel at that time, happens to be the daughter of an industrialist. She was high on booze and this was confirmed by the police as well.
The man is dead and gone and reports were there in the press, that the family did not have money to even conduct the funeral properly. The girl's photograph was published, she was arrested, but money makes several wonders in India, and she will happily come out on bail.
Instead of the horrible court case, that could even take up to ten years or more, why not make the rich family pay something like 25 lakh to the poor family, even before the court case was decided? Should we not have a law where such payment is made within ten days?
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic How to stop cinema from having negative influence on youth.
@ AB
I don't think any number of debates will solve this problem. Because Movies are meant for in expensive entertainment for majority of the people. But News Channels are condemning such heinous acts of youth. Swati's case has been highlighted in both print and Electronic media.
I agree with you that we need far more reforms on such issues.
9 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar replied to the topic How to stop cinema from having negative influence on youth.
ABSIVAKUMAR wrote:
Madam, why not promote some debates on local electronic media, even with the help of the police. so that this horrible trend can stop? In fact, some debate is already on in electronic media, though there are some stupid souls who say that the boy was innocent, he "thought" that the girl would love him, because she had always talked very well with him and so on. She had even explained that she was just a friend, but our boy went to the other ridiculous levels.
Only a huge amount of debates and some serious counseling of girl children in terms of being discreet in dealing with any man, can possibly help. But we seriously need far more reforms and one wonders where to start and how to go about it.
The problem with such debates is that they simply remain debates and nothing happens from it, it is all futile. I tried broaching this topic in the group of moms of my son and some of his classmates. We are a group 8-9 moms who frequently meet and discuss things and generally do something with our kids. There is a recent Marathi hit called Sairat which is again a story of underage love, the couple elopes, marry, has a kid and then one fine, the girls brother arrives and killes them both. It is a very big hit and just yesterday, one youth was arrested for burglary of lakhs of rupees simply because he needed money to go and see this heroine in real life. She is a 10th std student!!
'So when I broached the topic and tried to present my views against such movies, only one mom agreed with me and others were all quite fascinated by the movie! So I feel it better to keep my thoughts to myself and limit my education to my son and whoever agrees with me! Electronic debates are pointless, I can see no way it can ever reach any conclusion or positive outcome as far as such films are concerned.
9 years ago
ABSIVAKUMAR created new topic Should all crime investigations be public?.
Very recently, in the sensational Swati murder case in Chennai, the police were initially discreet in their methods. But when the Madras High Court came down heavily on the poor pace of investigation, the police decided to go all out, and the entire trail to the culprit, who has now confessed to the murder, was shown on electronic media, which actually went overboard in even interviewing people who happen to travel by the EMU trains at that early hour of the day.
The Madras High Court is reportedly now very angry that the media exposure has been too much. Where should one draw the line? In any sensational case like this, the media cannot be made to sit idle and do nothing. So, what should we do?
9 years ago
chinmoymukherjee replied to the topic Is there any hope for some changes here .
Let optimism of some members triumph! But my experience with men and matters dissuades me. I never pull off punches when the situation demands so.The systematic neglect and insult of members and their interests is not a sudden phenomenon. In fact I could clearly foresee it coming some time back. Lastly I would like to assert that my views are not mere presumptions but convictions based on pragmatism. I would be mad with joy if I am proved wrong!!
9 years ago
ABSIVAKUMAR replied to the topic How to stop cinema from having negative influence on youth.
Madam, why not promote some debates on local electronic media, even with the help of the police. so that this horrible trend can stop? In fact, some debate is already on in electronic media, though there are some stupid souls who say that the boy was innocent, he "thought" that the girl would love him, because she had always talked very well with him and so on. She had even explained that she was just a friend, but our boy went to the other ridiculous levels.
Only a huge amount of debates and some serious counseling of girl children in terms of being discreet in dealing with any man, can possibly help. But we seriously need far more reforms and one wonders where to start and how to go about it.
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic How to stop cinema from having negative influence on youth.
The influence of Cinema on the public, especially on youth is not a new thing. This trend is there even in AP. Kannada Cinema and Malayali Cinema are better than AP and Karnataka. 20 years ago the movie madness and craze was not this worst. I know Balachander of Tamil Nadu, Girish Karnad from Karnataka, Sethu Madhavan of Kerala and K. Viswanath of AP produced Memorable movies.
Today's trend is quite different. Most of the Movies produced are business oriented. Youth of today find pleasure in imitating Mediocre movies and the Heroes.
There are several road accidents are caused because of youth imitating their Favorite Movie heroes riding a Bike on the Public Roads.
Youth should know that the movie world is " make believe " world.
Ramkumar's case who is involved in Swati's murder case is not an exception.
9 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar replied to the topic How to stop cinema from having negative influence on youth.
It is not just Tamil films but recently even Marathi films have sadly gone the same way. What is most shocking is that top hits in the last 2-3 years have featured and promoted love affairs between underage teenagers, in which invariably the girl is shown from cultured, educated families and the boys from lower class, living in settlements etc. Following these films, a few cases happened where girls from good families foolishly fell for uneducated, uncouth boys working in garages and other such places and had to be rescued and counseled after significant emotional damage and in one instance, even physical abuse by the boy!
I doubt if we can do anything to stop such films being produced because sadly, these films get a large fan following and these people flock to cinemas to see them.
9 years ago
ABSIVAKUMAR created new topic How to stop cinema from having negative influence on youth.
Tamil Cinema is notoriously famous for one brand of story being told, again and again. A very ordinary looking "hero", who would actually be serving tea in a roadside tea stall, if he were to sheer luck not enter the film industry, would fall in love with a very beautiful girl, and chase her all over town to even the forests, and propose his love. The girl would naturally frown at him, but later "realize' his "true affection" for the hero, and eventually accept his love.
One horrible actor, Dhanush is guilty of bringing this theme, and there have been others who have faithfully imitated this formula.
However, in a State where the Cinema has a huge influence on youth, particularly men, the worst has recently happened -- a very ordinary looking Ramkumar, who had not even completed his Engineering degree, try to woo a girl called Swati, working in Infosys Technologies, in Chennai. The girl seemed to have mocked at his physical appearance and our hero had gone to ridiculous levels to look good. But the girl had just accepted him as a friend.
Unable to win her "love", this rascal has murdered her in broad daylight in the ever busy Nungambakkam station.
How should we go about reforming the society and stopping the bad influence of cinema? It was the case of this Ramkumar, obviously taking lessons from Tamil Cinema, but the same could be true of Telugu Cinema or even Kannada movies.
The point is, apart from moral education that is nowadays neglected badly, what are the various remedies possible, to reform young men and their fickle minds? How do we ensure that another Swati is not killed in the very same fashion?
9 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar replied to the topic Assessing Our Fitness Levels.
usha manohar wrote:
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
usha manohar wrote:
Normally one can remain healthy and very active until the age of eighty ...Most of the seniors in my own family are very fit because of their lifestyle which is hard work, going to the fields and supervising the work and working in the coconut gardens etc which keeps them healthy ...I remember once when we were in Goa, we would see a English couple jogging every morning on the beach and later when we got speaking to them , we were all surprised to hear that both of them were in their mid seventies, and so very fit !
Usha I too have seen many senior people who work in the farms so healthy and fit even in their late eighties and nineties. The best example I can give of such truly fit people is the hundreds and hundreds of simple peasant folks who are currently walking the holy pilgrimage of Vari from Pune to Pandharpur. These are all mostly farmers who have finished sowing their fields and are taking a respite of 15-16 days for Vari. Many of these people belong to ages between 70 and 90 years , some even beyond 90. This walk is not at all easy, the distance is almost 210 kilometres, it keeps raining incessantly and they have to climb up and down several steep ghats in the Sahyadri ranges. These people never have seen an inside of a gym, and hardly ever visit a doctor!
https://www.boddunan.com/articles/people-places/59-customs-and-culture/22765-pandharichi-vari-%E2%80%93-the-great-cultural-heritage-of-maharashtra-part-i.html
Thanks a lot for the link Kalyani ..I have seen really old people climb up Shravan Belgola during the Masthakabhisheka , they take rest every now and the but manage to climb all the way up. It is the energy levels , agility and more than anything mental determination that makes them do it..
There might numerous such examples of very old people making strenuous treks and climbs to places of pilgrimage so I think, even faith plays a vital role in mental and physical fitness, of course atheists would be ready to jump with sarcastic sniggers, but faith spur people on to accomplish feats that would normally be quite impossible to many. So in effect, simple living, hard work and faith is what basically required for any one to stay fit in life.
9 years ago