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usha manohar replied to the topic No safety for common people's life in a heartless nation.
First of all this fear psychosis about the police is highly exaggerated. I remember the first time I had to go to the police station was to lodge a complaint about having lost my mobile. I was asked to take a man with me and what not, but it so happened that I went alone and was surprised to see the SI and the constable most co operative and helpful. After that I have gone so many times because of different reasons and my experience with the changing staff has always been the same. If one has to put up with a little bit of inconvenience while helping someone to save their life, I dont see why people shrug off their responsibility towards the society ! It is nothing but selfishness to blame the police and most of these people who speak about insensitivity and fate of whistle blowers etc etc , do so in the comfort of their hme, never having had any personal experience .
Secondly, there is no such rule at all that unless police come and inspect the accident or crime victim, no action should betaken by the doctor. My sister and bro in law both work for bot govt services and have their own private hospitals and they say it is one by doctors, so that they dont need to be held accountable if the victim dies ! All said and done we are a very selfish and heartless society and becoming more so with increased levels of education and so called " Awareness"
9 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar replied to the topic No safety for common people's life in a heartless nation.
vijay wrote:
@Kaklyani and @rambabu, i agree that by standers can provide logistic help. What I meant was what life saving medical help they can provide for which emergency arrangements should be in place. The doctor who waited for police to come should have been prosecuted for negligence. I wonder if there is a rule that till police arrive no treatment can be started. Plesae show such provision, because if it is there it should be removed.
I do not know if there is a law that says that all accident victims can be treated only after a police complaint has been registered or they have been notified of the mishap, but it definitely is true that most doctors refuse to touch patients in the absence of the police. But only doctors cannot be blamed for it, because it has happened so that they have been harassed by either police because they had to do 'panchnama' of the accident or the victim died and his relatives beat up the doctor on duty for negligence etc. The reasons are numerous and we cannot deny that the system is rotten to the core and severe cleaning has to be done to make it work in favor of common people.
But my observation was in general. The attitude of bystanders is changing from being helpful and considerate to being mere audiences and looking at the mishap as if it were some form of entertainment. That is what is more worrying than even the police or doctors. If the bystanders were more active and tried to help, they can very easily persuade the police and the doctors to take quick action and help save at least some victims, if not all.
9 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar liked a reply to the topic No safety for common people's life in a heartless nation.
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic No safety for common people's life in a heartless nation.
It's the System. Whether the Doctor lodges the complaint or not is not within the purview of this discussion. What we are discussing here is about the prevailing practices and their ill effects.
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic How to stop cinema from having negative influence on youth.
The word REFORM was used by the thread poster of the thread.. Hence I used the word reform. Why should I reform the Society ? There are many Social workers and NGOs to do the job.
9 years ago
vijay replied to the topic No safety for common people's life in a heartless nation.
Let him lodge a complaint but what is preventing him from starting the treatment. By allowing the victim to die who is gaining. Something is wrong somewhere.
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic No safety for common people's life in a heartless nation.
There is a rule, that in case of any accident the concerned Doctor must lodge a complaint to the police. Doctors are adhering to the rule. There is nothing with the Doctor.
9 years ago
vijay replied to the topic Can development happen at the cost of rich agriculture?.
Unless land is provided industries cannot be set up. Some agricultural land will every year go for industrial use. Farm productivity also goes up every year which translates to more being obtained from less land than previously cultivated. IN India about 60% populatrion depends on agriculture which contributes 15-18% in GDP as against rest 40% having access to 80%+ GDP. Therefore it is essential to move a very large portion of agri based population to industries to improve farm economics.
9 years ago
vijay replied to the topic No safety for common people's life in a heartless nation.
@Kaklyani and @rambabu, i agree that by standers can provide logistic help. What I meant was what life saving medical help they can provide for which emergency arrangements should be in place. The doctor who waited for police to come should have been prosecuted for negligence. I wonder if there is a rule that till police arrive no treatment can be started. Plesae show such provision, because if it is there it should be removed.
9 years ago
vijay replied to the topic How to stop cinema from having negative influence on youth.
But you said reform must begin by setting up self example. So you wanted to reform by seeing in today's times old movies. Hence my comment. In modern times modern entertainment is best. But yes exceptions will always be there.
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Seventh pay commisson.
The latest news says, Central Government Employees' unions decided to defer their planned strike. This happened after the the Central Government communicated with the Unions and assured to consider the demands for minimum pay.
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic How to stop cinema from having negative influence on youth.
vijay wrote:
It is sanitised persons like Rambabu who feel that youth will get spoiled if they see what he does not want to see. Imagine in today's times not watching current movies but going all the way to see already seen yesteryear films. Do what you like but why preach others.
I'm not Reformer committed to save the people from the the negative effects of Movies. It was a suggestion from me. There is no use of reading in between the lines.
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic No safety for common people's life in a heartless nation.
There are provisions, that help the people in getting Ambulance services, nearest Medical centers etc. One can see the notifications on National highways. But how many know about these facilities. Despite this, " Urgency " of Medical attention has to be seen. In case of fatal accidents, death may occur within minutes. In such accidents, , I have seen once a kindhearted wayfarer, took the Victim in his car to a Primary Health Center .The Doctor on duty informed the Police. Till the police arrived, the victim was not given any medical help resulting in his death.
Provisions are there. But meaningless formalities are the real reason for more deaths in Road accidents.
9 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar replied to the topic No safety for common people's life in a heartless nation.
vijay wrote:
The state has to create such that emergency help is available very fast. What can bystanders actually do?
The bystanders can come forward and actually help carry the victims to the nearest hospital instead of taking videos and photos which is what happening recently in some cases. They just stood around taking photos while the victims bled to death. More often than not, the victims of such accident die because of heavy bleeding, if they are taken to hospital quickly most would survive.
9 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar liked a reply to the topic How should the rich be made to pay for their misbehavior?.
9 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar replied to the topic Can development happen at the cost of rich agriculture?.
anil wrote:
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
anil wrote:
anil wrote:
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
Babu saroj wrote:
rambabu wrote:
True. Better quality seeds and improved methods in Farming employing Modern methods will certainly boosts Farm productivity. In AP, Farmers are provided with all those amenities required by the State Government.
yes very true and why they should not use the modern way of farming, there are many reason for using modern technology and whereas about not using the modern technology there is no reason.
Rambabu a piece of land is pre requirement for use of better quality of seeds and modern way of farming. Farming is impossible in air.
Really really hard to understand what exactly you are trying to say! Either my brains are addled or I am losing my grasp of understanding English!
What I wrote is not a puzzel that it is hard to understan. Simply,if farmers have not land where they used better quality seeds.
@Anil my comment was not to your post but it was to another meaningless post by Babu saroj, I do not understand how it came to be in this one, but its not for you. I never have any difficulty understanding your posts!
Thanks, Babu is child
9 years ago
anil replied to the topic How should the rich be made to pay for their misbehavior?.
rambabu wrote:
anil wrote:
rambabu wrote:
Do you think Paying high compensation will stop the crimes ? It's only through the Law implemented strictly can stop such crimes. Be it an Industrialist's daughter or an influential Politician's son, Offenders of law should be Booked. But sadly, it's not happening so in this country. The fact is, Law is not for the people. It's only for the rich who can buy the law.
A request to AB. Siva kumar. After posting a thread, make yourself available for interaction with the members.
Yes it is right here law is slave of riches. On last Sunday in Jaipur Son of MLA killed 3 persons with his BMW car. But MLA said that what may be evidence and eye witness my son is innocent. Like Salman Khan he also present one person before police that I was driving the car, but eye witness and other evidence is saying that at that time driver was not in car. Finger prints on steraing and blood that find in car is of MLA' s son.
Law is blind. What all it needs is witnesses and proofs. Rich and influential can easily buy the witnesses for a price. I agree with you that that Law is a slave to the rich. Law is not for the poor.
Most of peoples know the end results of this case, it will like Salman Khan's hit ans run case and Sanjeev Nand's case. It is disappointing thing that in future this type of person will be our respected MLA, MP or ministers.
9 years ago
anil replied to the topic Seventh pay commisson.
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:
Let me elaborate my point that there is not much gain from pay commission. The fitment formula is 2.58 times the pay/pension fixed on 1.1.2006. Even without seventh pay commission report, the employees are getting 2.25 times the pay/pension fixed on 1.1.2006. This is because the rate of dearness allowance on 1.1.2106 is 125%. With the seventh pay commission pay scale/ pension, there will be no D.A. on 1.1.2006 as the entire D.A. stands merged. So the benefit is meager 0.33 times.
But the employees may benefit other way. As the basic pay is more, other allowances will increase. The amount of increment will also increase. The Pay commission has suggested a formula for parity between old and new pensioners similar to one rank one pay army but this is being considered infeasible. A committee has been appointed to give feasibility report. It is not understandable how some thing is feasible for army and infeasible for civilians.
Those enrolled from 2004 have another issue. They are not entitled to pension as old employees are. For them there is new pension scheme which is really like mutual fund investment and the pension is not related to last pay as in case of old pension scheme. There is strong demand for scrapping the new pension scheme and introducing the old pension scheme. It may also be pointed out that the armed forces and para military forces are still entitled to old pension and the new pension scheme is not introduced for them.
Thanks Gulshan Ji, Plz tell me if one at present basic salary of
employee is Rs 20000 and DA 125% total 45000. After seventh pay commission what will be basic salary of employee, 45000?
9 years ago
took the quiz Quiz about K.Kamaraj.
K.Kamaraj was a famous indian politician. He was also a famous freedom fighter. This quiz will update the birth, death, early life, political life and more about K.Kamaraj.
9 years ago
anil replied to the topic How to stop cinema from having negative influence on youth.
It is not fair to movies for behaviour of young. It is depends on person how they are taking cinema. Cinema is only for entertainment. Only healthy sacraments can stop negative effect on youth of cinema and all other things..
9 years ago
usha manohar replied to the topic No safety for common people's life in a heartless nation.
First of all this fear psychosis about the police is highly exaggerated. I remember the first time I had to go to the police station was to lodge a complaint about having lost my mobile. I was asked to take a man with me and what not, but it so happened that I went alone and was surprised to see the SI and the constable most co operative and helpful. After that I have gone so many times because of different reasons and my experience with the changing staff has always been the same. If one has to put up with a little bit of inconvenience while helping someone to save their life, I dont see why people shrug off their responsibility towards the society ! It is nothing but selfishness to blame the police and most of these people who speak about insensitivity and fate of whistle blowers etc etc , do so in the comfort of their hme, never having had any personal experience .
Secondly, there is no such rule at all that unless police come and inspect the accident or crime victim, no action should betaken by the doctor. My sister and bro in law both work for bot govt services and have their own private hospitals and they say it is one by doctors, so that they dont need to be held accountable if the victim dies ! All said and done we are a very selfish and heartless society and becoming more so with increased levels of education and so called " Awareness"
9 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar replied to the topic No safety for common people's life in a heartless nation.
vijay wrote:
@Kaklyani and @rambabu, i agree that by standers can provide logistic help. What I meant was what life saving medical help they can provide for which emergency arrangements should be in place. The doctor who waited for police to come should have been prosecuted for negligence. I wonder if there is a rule that till police arrive no treatment can be started. Plesae show such provision, because if it is there it should be removed.
I do not know if there is a law that says that all accident victims can be treated only after a police complaint has been registered or they have been notified of the mishap, but it definitely is true that most doctors refuse to touch patients in the absence of the police. But only doctors cannot be blamed for it, because it has happened so that they have been harassed by either police because they had to do 'panchnama' of the accident or the victim died and his relatives beat up the doctor on duty for negligence etc. The reasons are numerous and we cannot deny that the system is rotten to the core and severe cleaning has to be done to make it work in favor of common people.
But my observation was in general. The attitude of bystanders is changing from being helpful and considerate to being mere audiences and looking at the mishap as if it were some form of entertainment. That is what is more worrying than even the police or doctors. If the bystanders were more active and tried to help, they can very easily persuade the police and the doctors to take quick action and help save at least some victims, if not all.
9 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar liked a reply to the topic No safety for common people's life in a heartless nation.
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic No safety for common people's life in a heartless nation.
It's the System. Whether the Doctor lodges the complaint or not is not within the purview of this discussion. What we are discussing here is about the prevailing practices and their ill effects.
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic How to stop cinema from having negative influence on youth.
The word REFORM was used by the thread poster of the thread.. Hence I used the word reform. Why should I reform the Society ? There are many Social workers and NGOs to do the job.
9 years ago
vijay replied to the topic No safety for common people's life in a heartless nation.
Let him lodge a complaint but what is preventing him from starting the treatment. By allowing the victim to die who is gaining. Something is wrong somewhere.
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic No safety for common people's life in a heartless nation.
There is a rule, that in case of any accident the concerned Doctor must lodge a complaint to the police. Doctors are adhering to the rule. There is nothing with the Doctor.
9 years ago
vijay replied to the topic Can development happen at the cost of rich agriculture?.
Unless land is provided industries cannot be set up. Some agricultural land will every year go for industrial use. Farm productivity also goes up every year which translates to more being obtained from less land than previously cultivated. IN India about 60% populatrion depends on agriculture which contributes 15-18% in GDP as against rest 40% having access to 80%+ GDP. Therefore it is essential to move a very large portion of agri based population to industries to improve farm economics.
9 years ago
vijay replied to the topic No safety for common people's life in a heartless nation.
@Kaklyani and @rambabu, i agree that by standers can provide logistic help. What I meant was what life saving medical help they can provide for which emergency arrangements should be in place. The doctor who waited for police to come should have been prosecuted for negligence. I wonder if there is a rule that till police arrive no treatment can be started. Plesae show such provision, because if it is there it should be removed.
9 years ago
vijay replied to the topic How to stop cinema from having negative influence on youth.
But you said reform must begin by setting up self example. So you wanted to reform by seeing in today's times old movies. Hence my comment. In modern times modern entertainment is best. But yes exceptions will always be there.
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic Seventh pay commisson.
The latest news says, Central Government Employees' unions decided to defer their planned strike. This happened after the the Central Government communicated with the Unions and assured to consider the demands for minimum pay.
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic How to stop cinema from having negative influence on youth.
vijay wrote:
It is sanitised persons like Rambabu who feel that youth will get spoiled if they see what he does not want to see. Imagine in today's times not watching current movies but going all the way to see already seen yesteryear films. Do what you like but why preach others.
I'm not Reformer committed to save the people from the the negative effects of Movies. It was a suggestion from me. There is no use of reading in between the lines.
9 years ago
rambabu replied to the topic No safety for common people's life in a heartless nation.
There are provisions, that help the people in getting Ambulance services, nearest Medical centers etc. One can see the notifications on National highways. But how many know about these facilities. Despite this, " Urgency " of Medical attention has to be seen. In case of fatal accidents, death may occur within minutes. In such accidents, , I have seen once a kindhearted wayfarer, took the Victim in his car to a Primary Health Center .The Doctor on duty informed the Police. Till the police arrived, the victim was not given any medical help resulting in his death.
Provisions are there. But meaningless formalities are the real reason for more deaths in Road accidents.
9 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar replied to the topic No safety for common people's life in a heartless nation.
vijay wrote:
The state has to create such that emergency help is available very fast. What can bystanders actually do?
The bystanders can come forward and actually help carry the victims to the nearest hospital instead of taking videos and photos which is what happening recently in some cases. They just stood around taking photos while the victims bled to death. More often than not, the victims of such accident die because of heavy bleeding, if they are taken to hospital quickly most would survive.
9 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar liked a reply to the topic How should the rich be made to pay for their misbehavior?.
9 years ago
Kalyani Nandurkar replied to the topic Can development happen at the cost of rich agriculture?.
anil wrote:
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
anil wrote:
anil wrote:
Kalyani Nandurkar wrote:
Babu saroj wrote:
rambabu wrote:
True. Better quality seeds and improved methods in Farming employing Modern methods will certainly boosts Farm productivity. In AP, Farmers are provided with all those amenities required by the State Government.
yes very true and why they should not use the modern way of farming, there are many reason for using modern technology and whereas about not using the modern technology there is no reason.
Rambabu a piece of land is pre requirement for use of better quality of seeds and modern way of farming. Farming is impossible in air.
Really really hard to understand what exactly you are trying to say! Either my brains are addled or I am losing my grasp of understanding English!
What I wrote is not a puzzel that it is hard to understan. Simply,if farmers have not land where they used better quality seeds.
@Anil my comment was not to your post but it was to another meaningless post by Babu saroj, I do not understand how it came to be in this one, but its not for you. I never have any difficulty understanding your posts!
Thanks, Babu is child
9 years ago
anil replied to the topic How should the rich be made to pay for their misbehavior?.
rambabu wrote:
anil wrote:
rambabu wrote:
Do you think Paying high compensation will stop the crimes ? It's only through the Law implemented strictly can stop such crimes. Be it an Industrialist's daughter or an influential Politician's son, Offenders of law should be Booked. But sadly, it's not happening so in this country. The fact is, Law is not for the people. It's only for the rich who can buy the law.
A request to AB. Siva kumar. After posting a thread, make yourself available for interaction with the members.
Yes it is right here law is slave of riches. On last Sunday in Jaipur Son of MLA killed 3 persons with his BMW car. But MLA said that what may be evidence and eye witness my son is innocent. Like Salman Khan he also present one person before police that I was driving the car, but eye witness and other evidence is saying that at that time driver was not in car. Finger prints on steraing and blood that find in car is of MLA' s son.
Law is blind. What all it needs is witnesses and proofs. Rich and influential can easily buy the witnesses for a price. I agree with you that that Law is a slave to the rich. Law is not for the poor.
Most of peoples know the end results of this case, it will like Salman Khan's hit ans run case and Sanjeev Nand's case. It is disappointing thing that in future this type of person will be our respected MLA, MP or ministers.
9 years ago
anil replied to the topic Seventh pay commisson.
Gulshan Kumar Ajmani wrote:
Let me elaborate my point that there is not much gain from pay commission. The fitment formula is 2.58 times the pay/pension fixed on 1.1.2006. Even without seventh pay commission report, the employees are getting 2.25 times the pay/pension fixed on 1.1.2006. This is because the rate of dearness allowance on 1.1.2106 is 125%. With the seventh pay commission pay scale/ pension, there will be no D.A. on 1.1.2006 as the entire D.A. stands merged. So the benefit is meager 0.33 times.
But the employees may benefit other way. As the basic pay is more, other allowances will increase. The amount of increment will also increase. The Pay commission has suggested a formula for parity between old and new pensioners similar to one rank one pay army but this is being considered infeasible. A committee has been appointed to give feasibility report. It is not understandable how some thing is feasible for army and infeasible for civilians.
Those enrolled from 2004 have another issue. They are not entitled to pension as old employees are. For them there is new pension scheme which is really like mutual fund investment and the pension is not related to last pay as in case of old pension scheme. There is strong demand for scrapping the new pension scheme and introducing the old pension scheme. It may also be pointed out that the armed forces and para military forces are still entitled to old pension and the new pension scheme is not introduced for them.
Thanks Gulshan Ji, Plz tell me if one at present basic salary of
employee is Rs 20000 and DA 125% total 45000. After seventh pay commission what will be basic salary of employee, 45000?
9 years ago
took the quiz Quiz about K.Kamaraj.
K.Kamaraj was a famous indian politician. He was also a famous freedom fighter. This quiz will update the birth, death, early life, political life and more about K.Kamaraj.
9 years ago
anil replied to the topic How to stop cinema from having negative influence on youth.
It is not fair to movies for behaviour of young. It is depends on person how they are taking cinema. Cinema is only for entertainment. Only healthy sacraments can stop negative effect on youth of cinema and all other things..
9 years ago